WF”s feats include:
- Creating Barbatos, a cosmic entity capable of annihilating countless infinities of universes that weren’t”t able to rise in the Orrery. He kept Barbatos as a (relatively speaking) mouse-sized pet dragon on his shoulder.
- Creating an entirely new Multiverse, including its own New Gods (higher dimensional platonic concepts) and Hypertime via swinging his hammer.
- In a “greatly diminished” state, every swing of WF”s hammer spawns energies capable of creating universes that he can redirect to his needs (such as blasting Thor)
Speaking of “beings more powerful than ever”, Superman amped on Suns and arguably 5th dimensional energy was implied to be more amped than ever, as he flew faster than he ever did (before arguably ascending to far greater heights once tapping into 5d energy). He threw a punch that shattered WF”s entire Multiverse, and the punch was aimed at WF. WF was simply knocked down and was no worse for wear.
Forget Thor, World Forger would smack the Black Winter.
World Forger takes this by implied power, but I’d be lying if I said that he didn’t lack battle showings, because he doesn’t exactly have a history of battling anyone. I’m tempted to use ABC logic on all of the Metal related characters because of what Superboy Prime did, and how well he did against Monarch in the past. After all, what else can you use as a measuring stick?
The other part of my brain says that Cosmic Thor may actually be able to win this, based on his performance against the Black Winter, and a highly amplified Galactus. Thor defeated a universal plus being, so IMO it isn’t a stretch.
Originally posted by Stoic
World Forger takes this by implied power, but I’d be lying if I said that he didn’t lack battle showings, because he doesn’t exactly have a history of battling anyone. I’m tempted to use ABC logic on all of the Metal related characters because of what Superboy Prime did, and how well he did against Monarch in the past. After all, what else can you use as a measuring stick?The other part of my brain says that Cosmic Thor may actually be able to win this, based on his performance against the Black Winter, and a highly amplified Galactus. Thor defeated a universal plus being, so IMO it isn’t a stretch.
His battle between Perpetua and TBWL which was being waged across every reality not a benchmark?
Cosmic Thor stonps.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
WF”s feats include:- Creating Barbatos, a cosmic entity capable of annihilating countless infinities of universes that weren’t”t able to rise in the Orrery. He kept Barbatos as a (relatively speaking) mouse-sized pet dragon on his shoulder.
- Creating an entirely new Multiverse, including its own New Gods (higher dimensional platonic concepts) and Hypertime via swinging his hammer.
- In a “greatly diminished” state, every swing of WF”s hammer spawns energies capable of creating universes that he can redirect to his needs (such as blasting Thor)
Speaking of “beings more powerful than ever”, Superman amped on Suns and arguably 5th dimensional energy was implied to be more amped than ever, as he flew faster than he ever did (before arguably ascending to far greater heights once tapping into 5d energy). He threw a punch that shattered WF”s entire Multiverse, and the punch was aimed at WF. WF was simply knocked down and was no worse for wear.
Forget Thor, World Forger would smack the Black Winter.
Irrelevant. World forger has no combat feats that I can recall. He(and his Tools) Serve a Role. His Tool was Shattered by a Amped Supes and he was Knocked Down.What's So impressive here? The Outcome of what his Tools produce? Most of those feats are out of context anyway, and Superman never shattered a multiverse, that's been myth busted too many times on the forums.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ👆
WF”s feats include:- Creating Barbatos, a cosmic entity capable of annihilating countless infinities of universes that weren’t”t able to rise in the Orrery. He kept Barbatos as a (relatively speaking) mouse-sized pet dragon on his shoulder.
- Creating an entirely new Multiverse, including its own New Gods (higher dimensional platonic concepts) and Hypertime via swinging his hammer.
- In a “greatly diminished” state, every swing of WF”s hammer spawns energies capable of creating universes that he can redirect to his needs (such as blasting Thor)
Speaking of “beings more powerful than ever”, Superman amped on Suns and arguably 5th dimensional energy was implied to be more amped than ever, as he flew faster than he ever did (before arguably ascending to far greater heights once tapping into 5d energy). He threw a punch that shattered WF”s entire Multiverse, and the punch was aimed at WF. WF was simply knocked down and was no worse for wear.
Forget Thor, World Forger would smack the Black Winter.
WF essentially populated the Dark Multiverse with all of its fallen universes as well... which is arguably a greater feat than all of the other ridiculously high-end showings you mentioned, given the Dark Multiverse's sheer size/scale.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Cosmic Thor stonps.Irrelevant. World forger has no combat feats that I can recall. He(and his Tools) Serve a Role. His Tool was Shattered by a Amped Supes and he was Knocked Down.What's So impressive here? The Outcome of what his Tools produce? Most of those feats are out of context anyway, and Superman never shattered a multiverse, that's been myth busted too many times on the forums.
So let me get this straight: your position is that World Forger”s power via swinging his hammer is specifically for a certain role and he is not good at fighting?
Even if we assume this is correct, what”s to stop WF from swinging his hammer and creating a being who would stomp Cosmic Thor, given he can create universe-destroying Gods (such as Darkseid, the Life Entity, etc)? Even in a greatly diminished state, a single swing of his hammer summons Universe-creating energies that he can redirect to suit his needs (such as creating a being or concept that would stomp Thor).
Your position isn”t even correct in that WF absolutely has combatively applicable feats of power. Even in their greatly diminished state, WF and Overmonitor had to create a construct/shield because WF swinging his hammer would have obliterated the JL and shattered reality beneath them with universal energies. And his power in this state is absolutely nothing compared to his full power.
Cosmic Thor wouldn”t survive a single swing from a FP World Forger. Whether that means WF would swing his hammer and create a being who would stomp Thor or simply swing his hammer and direct the Multiversal energies against Thor is irrelevant.
@Stoic: you keep bringing up DK”s fight with SBP in an attempt to downscale DC from Monarch, while ignoring the majority of feats such as
-Perpetua destroying the Source Wall in her weakest state.
-Perpetua oneshotting Ultra-Monitor, who according to Anti-Monitor wielded more energy than Anti-Monitor ever felt before (including his peak in COIE)
-Perpetua and DK”s fight shattering the entire DC Multiverse, including its higher dimensions and Hypertime
Your two options are either:
A: it was a one-off feat that doesn”t upscale SBP but also doesn”t downscale DK and co.
B: SBP is just that powerful.
The source wall must not be that durable since it took almost ALL of her power to destroy a single Universe. Is there any referencing it taking more than Universal levels of power to destroy the SW?
Also, yes, World Forger power is the root of his hammer. This was proven when Per threw a planet at him and his brothers and WF couldn't do anything to defend against it without his Hanmer. He isn't like Thor where even without his hammer in his hand, Thor is still just as powerful. World Forger power is his hammer.
Originally posted by carver9
He isn't like Thor where even without his hammer in his hand, Thor is still just as powerful. World Forger power is his hammer.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/series/22655/the_unworthy_thor_2016_-_2017