What exactly puts Perpetua class characters above Mxy?
I understand that Perpetua hails from a higher dimension then Mxy, but why do so many people seem set on her (as well as characters in her tier) being above Mxy?
Everything Perpetua did with effort, like wiping out universes individually, Mxy can do with a snap of his fingers. No effort at all.
So why does Perpetua and her ilk rank above him? If feats are any indicator, Mxy is still far above her.
Perpetua was basically in a weakened state for ...well from when she she was released till DK killed her. Snyder also confirmed this in interviews. She was only at full power between JL ending and start of Death Metal. This was mostly of panel. Past that, ah was recovering again. Not sure when she fought DK, if she was at full power or not
Another reason mentioned by WF is Super Celestials like Perpetua can’t really die, unless killed in the 6th dimension. If they die in a lower dimension, they just reform. That said, they also weakened if they decided to enter the lower dimension, which she was in
Personally, I do not subscribe to the notion that Perpetua > Mxy, simply because she is a 6-D being. It is certainly possible for characters from the 'lower realms' to transcend higher-dimensional powers -- true Darkseid, for example, will undoubtedly prove this to be true, imo.
That being said, my basis for Perpetua-class characters being above Mxy stems from Mxy himself stating that Dr. Manhattan was beyond him. I don't typically take statements like that(absent of superior feats) at face value, but in this instance there's no real reason to doubt Mxy's word.
Originally posted by Galan007
Personally, I do not subscribe to the notion that Perpetua > Mxy, simply because she is a 6-D being. It is certainly possible for characters from the 'lower realms' to transcend higher-dimensional powers -- true Darkseid, for example, will undoubtedly prove this to be true, imo.That being said, my basis for Perpetua-class characters being above Mxy stems from Mxy himself stating that Dr. Manhattan was beyond him. I don't typically take statements like that(absent of superior feats) at face value, but in this instance there's no real reason to doubt Mxy's word.
Well we aren’t sure if DS will be considered a super celestial now
Originally posted by MrMind
they are two different species, darkseid is a new god
This new DS managed to kill high father with one attack. While he may be considered a new god, he is clearly redefining that role; same way superman is only a Kryptonian but somehow add a new high every month
I think Perpetua would beat Mxy simply by virtue of being the higher-dimensional being. This doesn't necessarily correlate with their power levels when manipulating the lower dimensions. A hypothetical example:
Mxy ability to manipulate the 3D/4D world: 100
Perpetua ability to manipulate the 3D/4D world: 50
Mxy ability to manipulate the 6D world & beings: 10
Perpetua ability to manipulate the 5D world & beings: 50
(since 5D is a lower-dimensional reality from Perpetua's point of view)
Perpetua is above Mxy due to direct statements placing her above Mxy as well as having much better feats.
Destroying the Source Wall while only wielding a tiny fraction of her power > any Mxy feat.
Effortlessly oneshotting Ultra-Monitor (who is at LEAST > peak COIE AM) upon regaining most of her full power > any Mxy feat.
Battling DK in a clash that would have destroyed every universe and higher dimension in DC that was so powerful it rippled across the Overvoid > any Mxy feat.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ1. I can understand that logic.
Perpetua is above Mxy due to direct statements placing her above Mxy as well as having much better feats.Destroying the Source Wall while only wielding a tiny fraction of her power > any Mxy feat.
Effortlessly oneshotting Ultra-Monitor (who is at LEAST > peak COIE AM) upon regaining most of her full power > any Mxy feat.
Battling DK in a clash that would have destroyed every universe and higher dimension in DC that was so powerful it rippled across the Overvoid > any Mxy feat.
There's no evidence Mxy wiped out the Source Wall.
There's no evidence to suggest Mxy is capable of casually oneshotting a being (Ultra-Monitor) who is considerably more powerful than a being (Peak COIE AM) who wielded the combined energies of two Multiverses/Pieces of the Dimensional Superstructure and could reshape the Multiverse from the dawn of Creation by becoming the Hand of Creation.
No evidence that Mxy impacted the Monitor Sphere, Source Wall, etc. And even if he did, Perpetua already annihilated the Source Wall at a fraction of her power, and her battle was reaching beyond DC as well and rippling across the Overvoid.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ"No more anything except you and me" as Mxy and B-M are literally standing in the absence of the Over void. Pretty self explanatory.
There's no evidence Mxy wiped out the Source Wall.There's no evidence to suggest Mxy is capable of casually oneshotting a being (Ultra-Monitor) who is considerably more powerful than a being (Peak COIE AM) who wielded the combined energies of two Multiverses/Pieces of the Dimensional Superstructure and could reshape the Multiverse from the dawn of Creation by becoming the Hand of Creation.
No evidence that Mxy impacted the Monitor Sphere, Source Wall, etc. And even if he did, Perpetua already annihilated the Source Wall at a fraction of her power, and her battle was reaching beyond DC as well and rippling across the Overvoid.
Lol Mxy literally did all of that during WF. Effortlessly.
"No more anything except you and me" as Mxy and B-M are literally standing in the absence of the Over void. Pretty self explanatory.
Originally posted by Galan007
Personally, I do not subscribe to the notion that Perpetua > Mxy, simply because she is a 6-D being. It is certainly possible for characters from the 'lower realms' to transcend higher-dimensional powers -- true Darkseid, for example, will undoubtedly prove this to be true, imo.That being said, my basis for Perpetua-class characters being above Mxy stems from Mxy himself stating that Dr. Manhattan was beyond him. I don't typically take statements like that(absent of superior feats) at face value, but in this instance there's no real reason to doubt Mxy's word.
Well Perpetua and her progeny were certainly portrayed as being less capable of bending reality than Mxy. In terms of the feats that I've seen, Mxy looked to be above what was shown by Perpetua despite contrary statements.
Originally posted by StoicPurely from a feats standpoint, I would agree.
Well Perpetua and her progeny were certainly portrayed as being less capable of bending reality than Mxy. In terms of the feats that I've seen, Mxy looked to be above what was shown by Perpetua despite contrary statements.
On top of everything else he did, Mxy also "took a second" and destroyed not only the 5th dimension itself, but EVERY numbered dimension in DC(including even the fractional realms):
We even saw one of his rage-fits ravaging Hypertime here:
It ultimately culminated with Mxy destroying EVERYTHING in the entire damn company, leaving Mxy and Bat-Mite just chilling in the blankness of the Overvoid:
In the end, Mxy recreated all of it with a literal *snap*, and made plans with Bat-Mite to do the same thing "next Tuesday":
https://ibb.co/yhz1hN9
https://ibb.co/31nH12b
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*Keep in mind that World's Funnest was released in 2000... And by that point it had already been WELL established that as you move upward on the dimensional totem pole, the more infinitesimal the entire 3D continuum becomes:
https://ibb.co/SJFtNT7
https://ibb.co/N34SKwH
-New Gods v3 #10 (1996)
*And yes, Hypertime had already been introduced as well:
https://ibb.co/WcfQPkk
https://ibb.co/WWRRvnJ
-The Kingdom #2 (1999)
https://ibb.co/y06hY6d
-JLA #30 (1999)
IOW, many of the same cosmological concepts that apply now, still applied then. Mxy destroyed the infinite 3D multiverse + EVERY past/present/future(ie. the trans-infinity of Hypertime), along with EVERY alternate dimension(inc. the 4th World and 5th dimension -- each of which are varying "orders of infinity" larger than the 3D multiverse)... Then casually remade it all, with no real effort whatsoever.
I still maintain that no comic character even remotely approaches Mxy's feats there. That being said, Mxy himself stated that Manhattan was superior to him, and I do take that at face value. Hence why I can get behind the logic that Perpetua(a peer of Manhattan) > Mxy as well.