MCU characters vs Steppenwolf's Axe

Originally posted by Psychotron
I can't agree with that given their H2H fights against a common opponent (Hulk).

Loki never fought Hulk in h2h. Hulk punked Loki while Loki was in the middle of talking to the Hulk. That's not a fight, that's a sucker punch.

That's like me knocking out Manny Pacquiao because I sucker punched him while he was busy talking to me. Can I start claiming I beat Paquiao in a fight?

Not saying Loki could have won but it definitely would have looked different had he actually been fighting back.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki never fought Hulk in h2h. Hulk "sucker punched" Loki while Loki was in the middle of talking to the Hulk.

That's like me knocking out Manny Pacquiao because I sucker punched him while he was busy talking to me... then me claiming I beat Pacquiao in a fight.

Not saying Loki could have won but it definitely would have looked different had he actually been fighting back.

It wasn't a sucker punch, Hulk had already hit Loki before Loki started his speech about being a god. And you can compare how Thor and Loki took the "puny god" treatment from Hulk. Thor bounced back up immediately and was ready to fight, Loki... did not.

I wouldnt call it a sucker punch. Loki was talking/shouting to halt Hulks attack on him.

Hulk punching Thor when they were fighting side by side, now that was a sucker punch.

And psychotron is right when comparing the same attack on Thor, it showed theres clearly a massive physical gap between the two.

That said, Lokis no slouch. Physically hes above the likes of Iron Man, when we look at how they both managed Cap in H2H. And he would have put up a fight against Hulk if he had his staff methinks.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It wasn't a sucker punch, Hulk had already hit Loki before Loki started his speech about being a god. And you can compare how Thor and Loki took the "puny god" treatment from Hulk. Thor bounced back up immediately and was ready to fight, Loki... did not.

You yourself admitted that the "puny god" treatment was more a durability feat than a strength feat. I'm not discussing durability here, merely strength.

And you can claim it wasn't a sucker punch, as in he didn't blindside Loki, but it was still a punch delivered at someone who wasn't fighting back.

So my original point still stands: Loki never actually fought Hulk in combat. He got ragdolled while he was busy trying to shout down Hulk. His fault obviously, but that's not him fighting back, that's him being stupid.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I wouldnt call it a sucker punch. Loki was talking/shouting to halt Hulks attack on him.

Hulk punching Thor when they were fighting side by side, now that was a sucker punch.

And psychotron is right when comparing the same attack on Thor, it showed theres clearly a massive physical gap between the two.

That said, Lokis no slouch. Physically hes above the likes of Iron Man, when we look at how they both managed Cap in H2H. And he would have put up a fight against Hulk if he had his staff methinks.

Psychotron is right in the sense that Thor and Loki getting ragdolled by Hulk is a durability feat, not a strength feat. I never claimed Loki is close to Thor's durability, especially since Thor has some of the best durability feats in the MCU, better even than Hulk's.

What I AM saying is that Loki is close to Thor's strength range, as he wouldn't be able to manhandle Thor like he did if he wasn't.

And using Hulk's treatment of Loki to disprove this is a dishonest argument simply because Loki was clearly not trying to fight back.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You yourself admitted that the "puny god" treatment was more a durability feat than a strength feat. I'm not discussing durability here, merely strength.

And you can claim it wasn't a sucker punch, as in he didn't blindside Loki, but it was still a punch delivered at someone who wasn't fighting back.

So my original point still stands: Loki never actually fought Hulk in combat. He got ragdolled while he was busy trying to shout down Hulk. His fault obviously, but that's not him fighting back, that's him being stupid.

How can it be a sucker punch when Hulk already attacked him? Sucker punch means a surprise attack. Loki knew Hulk was coming to smash him.

The fact is that Loki has no strength feats except fighting a holding back Thor.

Every single one of them get cleaved in half lol

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Every single one of them get cleaved in half lol

😆 No they dont. I think the get cut, but there isnt any cutting in half going on.

Originally posted by Psychotron
How can it be a sucker punch when Hulk already attacked him? Sucker punch means a surprise attack. Loki knew Hulk was coming to smash him.

The fact is that Loki has no strength feats except fighting a holding back Thor.

A sucker punch is a punch (or hit) thrown against someone who isn't expecting it. Loki was not expecting to be ragdolled, as evidenced by him being in the middle of a sentence when it happened.

Was it his own fault? Absolutely. That doesn't change the fact that he wasn't fighting back when Hulk did it to him.

Not sure why that's so hard for you to comprehend. Bottom line is, Loki never fought Hulk and that particular incident with Hulk is an indication of his durability, not his strength.

For strength, the fact that he can manhandle Thor puts him near Thor's strength. These are facts.

Originally posted by tkitna
😆 No they dont. I think the get cut, but there isnt any cutting in half going on.

DC fanboys after seeing your post:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DC fanboys after seeing your post:

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DC fanboys after seeing your post:

Originally posted by riv6672
Holy crap wtf IS that thing?!?

DC fans when they realize they arent fooling anybody when they say the Snyder cut was great.

😂

It wasn't great, but it was better than Whedon's version, at least.