Originally posted by Stoic
Superboy Prime fought Monarch. Thanos would destroy the both of them. Insults? You lack wit so this is what you come up with? If Superboy Prime defeated DK far easier than he defeated Monarch, what does that leave you with. Be careful with me Grimy guy.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superboy in the same arc, by same writer scared Mxy.
Stop trying to lowball using monarch. Monarch wasn’t a match for Prime despite Prime losing his guardian amp buff
Stop trying to make more of him than he is. I'm not lowballing shit. He was barely able to beat Monarch. Stop making up shit and then overhyping it. Mxy himself was trapped by Mr. Oz and placed in Null Space. He had to nearly tear himself apart to escape. Prime had a Guardian amp buff while fighting Monarch. Why would he need a buff if he was superior. You see what you want to see.
Originally posted by Diesldude
superboy prime knows these are comic characters and they can’t do nothing to him.Sbp one shots and absorbs their power.
You mean DC characters. Prime is a comic character himself, so no we aren't going to bend the rules for and claim that he'd beat TOAA. Prime is a static blip on the time line, and time lines can be altered. Remember where he started off in the story? We yeah the time before that when he didn't actually exist.
So no, Superboy Prime can not defeat Thanos with the regulator, what he did to drag DC's powerhouse characters down to his physical brawling level only applies to them, it doesn't actually apply to Omnipotent beings that are using their powers. Snyder turned DK into an idiot while weakening him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Stop trying to make more of him than he is. I'm not lowballing shit. He was barely able to beat Monarch. Stop making up shit and then overhyping it. Mxy himself was trapped by Mr. Oz and placed in Null Space. He had to nearly tear himself apart to escape. Prime had a Guardian amp buff while fighting Monarch. Why would he need a buff if he was superior. You see what you want to see.You mean DC characters. Prime is a comic character himself, so no we aren't going to bend the rules for and claim that he'd beat TOAA. Prime is a static blip on the time line, and time lines can be altered. Remember where he started off in the story? We yeah the time before that when he didn't actually exist.
So no, Superboy Prime can not defeat Thanos with the regulator, what he did to drag DC's powerhouse characters down to his physical brawling level only applies to them, it doesn't actually apply to Omnipotent beings that are using their powers. Snyder turned DK into an idiot while weakening him.
The fight between Superboy and Monarch was anything but even. It last a one issue and Superboy was beating at everypoint. His amp was gone by the time Monarch armor broke
We dont know how Mxy got trapped by Oz. It doesn't change the fact that after being let go, he refused to go meet Superboy Prime. The dude was punching a ******* hole in the 5th dimension CASUALLY. You pretend the guy wasn't insane because he has a Superman symbol is stupid.
He was operating at extremely high levels the entire time he had the Guardian Amp.
You're upset about that so you're hoping to get lowball whatever you can to pretend that his fight with DK was an outlier when it really isn't that insane.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You're have selective memoryThe fight between Superboy and Monarch was anything but even. It last a one issue and Superboy was beating at everypoint. His amp was gone by the time Monarch armor broke
We dont know how Mxy got trapped by Oz. It doesn't change the fact that after being let go, he refused to go meet Superboy Prime. The dude was punching a ******* hole in the 5th dimension CASUALLY. You pretend the guy wasn't insane because he has a Superman symbol is stupid.
He was operating at extremely high levels the entire time he had the Guardian Amp.
You're upset about that so you're hoping to get lowball whatever you can to pretend that his fight with DK was an outlier when it really isn't that insane.
Listen okay? The fact that their battle lasted that long alone should tell you everything. If Superboy Prime was that much more powerful, he would've One Shot ended it. Could TOAA one shot end Monarch? Of course. These are completely different levels of powers with hundreds of levels between them.
Regulator Thanos never has to get into with him. This is like pitting a butt naked Robin up against Nekron and hoping that he'd do well. Thanos would be the very air that Prime breathed, he would be there on the time line quintillions of years before Prime's debut and at times end of every time line.
You're saying that a guy that is limited to punches, super speed, cold breath, heat vision, and a few other physical powers would remain relevant for more than an instant with a guy that could put him and his galaxy in a temporal shoe box and toss the box into null space.
Your idea would be as likely of happening as Slobo beating Flash in a serious foot race.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You're have selective memoryThe fight between Superboy and Monarch was anything but even. It last a one issue and Superboy was beating at everypoint. His amp was gone by the time Monarch armor broke
We dont know how Mxy got trapped by Oz. It doesn't change the fact that after being let go, he refused to go meet Superboy Prime. The dude was punching a ******* hole in the 5th dimension CASUALLY. You pretend the guy wasn't insane because he has a Superman symbol is stupid.
He was operating at extremely high levels the entire time he had the Guardian Amp.
You're upset about that so you're hoping to get lowball whatever you can to pretend that his fight with DK was an outlier when it really isn't that insane.
By all means though, post the Superboy Prime vs Monarch fight. The idea that you're still arguing is actually lowballing at its best. You don't see it though.
Originally posted by Stoic
By all means though, post the Superboy Prime vs Monarch fight. The idea that you're still arguing is actually lowballing at its best. You don't see it though.
Tell me how difficult was it?
Originally posted by Stoic
Listen okay? The fact that their battle lasted that long alone should tell you everything. If Superboy Prime was that much more powerful, he would've One Shot ended it. Could TOAA one shot end Monarch? Of course. These are completely different levels of powers with hundreds of levels between them.Regulator Thanos never has to get into with him. This is like pitting a butt naked Robin up against Nekron and hoping that he'd do well. Thanos would be the very air that Prime breathed, he would be there on the time line quintillions of years before Prime's debut and at times end of every time line.
You're saying that a guy that is limited to punches, super speed, cold breath, heat vision, and a few other physical powers would remain relevant for more than an instant with a guy that could put him and his galaxy in a temporal shoe box and toss the box into null space.
Your idea would be as likely of happening as Slobo beating Flash in a serious foot race.
Superman shouldn't be able to knock out a being like World Forger with a punch and yet he does. he shouldn't be able to resist a multiversal being like Dr. Manhattan's reality warping and yet he does
DC couldn't careless about "Punch can't do that"
A punch can't shatter the reality wall, he shouldn't be able to punch through the 5th dimension where there is only imagination.
to DC, that doesn't matter. They look at it differently
Originally posted by xJLxKing
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Countdown-2007/Issue-13?id=37190
there you goTell me how difficult was it?
Okay, and as I stated TOAA would one shot end Monarch. These guys are on com-lately different levels. Superboy Prime could not, nor was his victory over Monarch easy for him. Easy means walk through him as if he isn’t there, not wage a war. His battle with Monarch was actually more Impressive than his battle with DK.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
See this is where you fail to understand
It's comics.Superman shouldn't be able to knock out a being like World Forger with a punch and yet he does. he shouldn't be able to resist a multiversal being like Dr. Manhattan's reality warping and yet he does
DC couldn't careless about "Punch can't do that"
A punch can't shatter the reality wall, he shouldn't be able to punch through the 5th dimension where there is only imagination.to DC, that doesn't matter. They look at it differently
That’s DC. Marvel works differently. In this instance Superboy Prime would be helpless to stop a mind wipe, and a BFR along with time manipulations above his power scale. DC decided to reduce their powerhouses in power, but like I said, Marvel has its own rules.
How does he resist a mind wipe? How does he resist time manip? Superboy Prime was very much part of that time line. He had a starting point. That starting point can be altered. His entire history and reality can be altered.
Originally posted by Stoic
Okay, and as I stated TOAA would one shot end Monarch. These guys are on com-lately different levels. Superboy Prime could not, nor was his victory over Monarch easy for him. Easy means walk through him as if he isn’t there, not wage a war. His battle with Monarch was actually more Impressive than his battle with DK.That’s DC. Marvel works differently. In this instance Superboy Prime would be helpless to stop a mind wipe, and a BFR along with time manipulations above his power scale. DC decided to reduce their powerhouses in power, but like I said, Marvel has its own rules.
How does he resist a mind wipe? How does he resist time manip? Superboy Prime was very much part of that time line. He had a starting point. That starting point can be altered. His entire history and reality can be altered.
You're original stance that someone this Superboy was not strong is insane. With his limited appearance, he had some insane feat. He was a multiversal level being.
To pretend that DK didn't "try" vs Prime is idiotic. It was pretty clear that they were pretty even. Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant. It's not an opinion. Superboy managed to fight DK pretty evenly who was above beings like Mxy (Keeping in line with what occurred in Countdown & Mxy).
Now to be fair, i dislike how anyone (including Hulk or Superman) can defeat beings like DK, WF, Mxy..etc, with punches only. It doesn't feel fair.
Regulator Thanos should stomp this pretty easily. I don't understand why people are so sure that DK is above the power of TOAA. Despite his power being governed by the Astral Regulators (essentially the power holding together the limitless mind of God), he is still the fundamental creative force of everything in the history of Marvel comics. His power exceeds the combined power of every cosmic entity across all 8 iterations of the Multiverse, every infinity gauntlet, every ultimate nullifier, every Celestial, every Beyonder, etc.
Regardless of what people say about the current scale of the Marvel Multiverse (with some claiming it's between 1,000 and 1,0000 universes, which I imagine has been or will be contradicted at some point), there are still various higher dimensional planes and dimensions vastly exceeding the domain of Multi-Eternity (kinda like the Overvoid). Furthermore, there are 7 other iterations of the cosmos, the last of which had infinite universes and higher dimensions of existence, platonic/abstract conceptual planes, etc. TOAA is ALL of that combined and more.
The Astral Regulators remind me of The Glorious Undead, a Doctor Who comic written by Marvel in which this artifact/piece of technology known as "The Glory" maintained the stability of every single Multiverse in existence, which in this case spanned various different fictions such as Marvel/Doctor Who as well as the real world., referred to as "the Omniversal Spectrum". Funny enough, it was said the one who created the Glory was "someone who is above all".
All the existence of the Astral Regulator's means is that TOAA is not truly omnipotent, it doesn't diminish what he is fundamentally. The Astral Regulators are just that which regulates Creation (and Creation on all levels IS TOAA).
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Regulator Thanos should stomp this pretty easily. I don't understand why people are so sure that DK is above the power of TOAA. Despite his power being governed by the Astral Regulators (essentially the power holding together the limitless mind of God), he is still the fundamental creative force of everything in the history of Marvel comics. His power exceeds the combined power of every cosmic entity across all 8 iterations of the Multiverse, every infinity gauntlet, every ultimate nullifier, every Celestial, every Beyonder, etc.Regardless of what people say about the current scale of the Marvel Multiverse (with some claiming it's between 1,000 and 1,0000 universes, which I imagine has been or will be contradicted at some point), there are still various higher dimensional planes and dimensions vastly exceeding the domain of Multi-Eternity (kinda like the Overvoid). Furthermore, there are 7 other iterations of the cosmos, the last of which had infinite universes and higher dimensions of existence, platonic/abstract conceptual planes, etc. TOAA is ALL of that combined and more.
The Astral Regulators remind me of The Glorious Undead, a Doctor Who comic written by Marvel in which this artifact/piece of technology known as "The Glory" maintained the stability of every single Multiverse in existence, which in this case spanned various different fictions such as Marvel/Doctor Who as well as the real world., referred to as "the Omniversal Spectrum". Funny enough, it was said the one who created the Glory was "someone who is above all".
All the existence of the Astral Regulator's means is that TOAA is not truly omnipotent, it doesn't diminish what he is fundamentally. The Astral Regulators are just that which regulates Creation (and Creation on all levels IS TOAA).
That's what I was getting at. As powerful as Superboy Prime is, in comparison to this version of Thanos, he's a one dimensional trick pony. My argument was in no way meant to lowball. Prime just isn't on this level, or remotely close to it.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Focus on the topic at hand regarding Superboy
You keeping saying his fight was tough or wasn't easy. You understand until the universal level destruction, nothing really phased Superman. Not to mention, by the time the universal explosion occurred, Superboy ran out of his guardian Amp.You're original stance that someone this Superboy was not strong is insane. With his limited appearance, he had some insane feat. He was a multiversal level being.
To pretend that DK didn't "try" vs Prime is idiotic. It was pretty clear that they were pretty even. Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant. It's not an opinion. Superboy managed to fight DK pretty evenly who was above beings like Mxy (Keeping in line with what occurred in Countdown & Mxy).
Now to be fair, i dislike how anyone (including Hulk or Superman) can defeat beings like DK, WF, Mxy..etc, with punches only. It doesn't feel fair.
In the very same book he said that Monarch hurt him. Really hurt him. You see what you want.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but in a forum fight, both sides act as if their powers work as they do in their universes.So a DC punch, as you term it, would be just as effective.
What punch? A true Omnipotent wouldn't even allow the confrontation to take place. They can see these things before they happen. Can't you see that DK jobbed? Snyder's vision was a complete disappointment. Not the entire story, but the ending was stupid as hell. He could've brought in Dr. Manhattan to set things straight, but what did he do? Ass to mouth.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Regulator Thanos should stomp this pretty easily. I don't understand why people are so sure that DK is above the power of TOAA. Despite his power being governed by the Astral Regulators (essentially the power holding together the limitless mind of God), he is still the fundamental creative force of everything in the history of Marvel comics. His power exceeds the combined power of every cosmic entity across all 8 iterations of the Multiverse, every infinity gauntlet, every ultimate nullifier, every Celestial, every Beyonder, etc.Regardless of what people say about the current scale of the Marvel Multiverse (with some claiming it's between 1,000 and 1,0000 universes, which I imagine has been or will be contradicted at some point), there are still various higher dimensional planes and dimensions vastly exceeding the domain of Multi-Eternity (kinda like the Overvoid). Furthermore, there are 7 other iterations of the cosmos, the last of which had infinite universes and higher dimensions of existence, platonic/abstract conceptual planes, etc. TOAA is ALL of that combined and more.
The Astral Regulators remind me of The Glorious Undead, a Doctor Who comic written by Marvel in which this artifact/piece of technology known as "The Glory" maintained the stability of every single Multiverse in existence, which in this case spanned various different fictions such as Marvel/Doctor Who as well as the real world., referred to as "the Omniversal Spectrum". Funny enough, it was said the one who created the Glory was "someone who is above all".
All the existence of the Astral Regulator's means is that TOAA is not truly omnipotent, it doesn't diminish what he is fundamentally. The Astral Regulators are just that which regulates Creation (and Creation on all levels IS TOAA).
TOAA couldn't fix balance in one universe, for starter he admitted he is not omnipotent
Thanos is not exactly omnipotent either as he was new to his power and the story clearly showed he lacked omniscience, as he has trouble finding where eros and that little troll is throughout different points in time, we see eros and the troll jumped in some distorted pocket dimension out of thanos' reach
he didnt become one with the omniverse. that was not implied anywhere
there are no higher level of existence outside of multi-eternity, as we have seen in the ultimate series. superflow and neutral zone has no qualm to the level of infinities dc possess
DK beat the omniversal god that created a infinite multiverse. their battle waged on every level of existence.
stop writing fan fic you got from vsbattles, it's very cringey
Originally posted by MrMind
TOAA couldn't fix balance in one universe, for starter he admitted he is not omnipotentThanos is not exactly omnipotent either as he was new to his power and the story clearly showed he lacked omniscience, as he has trouble finding where eros and that little troll is throughout different points in time, we see eros and the troll jumped in some distorted pocket dimension out of thanos' reach
he didnt become one with the omniverse. that was not implied anywhere
there are no higher level of existence outside of multi-eternity, as we have seen in the ultimate series. superflow and neutral zone has no qualm to the level of infinities dc possess
DK beat the omniversal god that created a infinite multiverse. their battle waged on every level of existence.
stop writing fan fic you got from vsbattles, it's very cringey
Adam Warlock is an anomaly that stands outside of time and space. That really doesn't prove anything.
DK jobbed.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You're have selective memoryThe fight between Superboy and Monarch was anything but even. It last a one issue and Superboy was beating at everypoint. His amp was gone by the time Monarch armor broke
We dont know how Mxy got trapped by Oz. It doesn't change the fact that after being let go, he refused to go meet Superboy Prime. The dude was punching a ******* hole in the 5th dimension CASUALLY. You pretend the guy wasn't insane because he has a Superman symbol is stupid.
He was operating at extremely high levels the entire time he had the Guardian Amp.
You're upset about that so you're hoping to get lowball whatever you can to pretend that his fight with DK was an outlier when it really isn't that insane.
He’s trying to bring DK to monarch level.