Rank in technology

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well if we consider the Bifrost, Destroyer and even their flying ships as Asgardian technology, most of them don't exactly come with wires, nuts and bolts. So the eternal flame would be about as technological as those. Kinda.

And I agree, terraforming a planet is more advanced than simply destroying one, but I still wouldn't put it on the same level as teleportation which necessitates bending of both time and space to accomplish.

In all honesty, i believe Asgard was Retcon to be mostly magical in later films.

But assuming it is ALL tech (and no such thing as magic) then ill place Asgard above Krypton.

Originally posted by ares834
Does it? Why? Sure, the Bifrost may be superior to the Phantom Drive but Krypton holds a big advantage in many other aspects such as bioengineering and terraforming.

Because as advanced as terraforming and bioengineering is, these are fields where we've already made some headway and consists of manipulating things we already have control over.

In comparison, teleportation of matter consists of manipulating time, and that's something we currently have no control over and have yet to make any successful breakthroughs with.

Originally posted by h1a8
We can teleport particles NOW.

In all honesty, i believe Asgard was Retcon to be mostly magical in later films.

But assuming it is ALL tech (and no such thing as magic) then ill place Asgard above Krypton.

Can you provide a link to a credible source that shows we're teleporting matter now? Last I heard we can only teleport info, which is actually more of a copying/pasting a particle's state rather than moving the particle itself.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because as advanced as terraforming and bioengineering is, these are fields where we've already made some headway and consists of manipulating things we already have control over.

In comparison, teleportation of matter consists of manipulating time, and that's something we currently have no control over and have yet to make any successful breakthroughs with.

Not entirely true. Sure, certain aspect of terraforming have been explored, but permanently increasing the gravity of a planet has not.

But this misses my basic point, Krypton has also developed a form of warp. It may not be quite as advanced as Asgard, but they make up for this by being more advanced in most other technological fields.

Originally posted by ares834
Not entirely true. Sure, certain aspect of terraforming have been explored, but permanently increasing the gravity of a planet has not.

But this misses my basic point, Krypton has also developed a form of warp. It may not be quite as advanced as Asgard, but they make up for this by being more advanced in most other technological fields.

Well, obviously we're nowhere near the ability to alter a planet's gravity and environment yet but we're at least already playing in the same field. In comparison, messing around with time is still a fantasy for us.

As for Krypton being advanced in other fields, this is true. But then again Asgard is also advanced in other fields, like creating something like the Destroyer or having something like the Eternal Flame that can bring dead soldiers back to life. Then you have powerful weapons like Mjolnir that can somehow detect worthiness, get called back to its owner's hand, and somehow defy gravity if the wielder is unworthy.

Asgard is a weird contender here because we don't quite know if they have tech or magic. If we assume it's all magic then they end up ranking near the bottom. If we assume they're all tech then they rank near the top. If we say its half and half, well, where do we draw the line?

We aren't playing in the same field when it comes to gravity. Heck, we technically don't even know what gravity is. So I'd argue it's every bit as much a fantasy, if not even more so, than bending space like the Bifrost. Though, incidentally, based on our theories, both should be theoretically similar in that both rely on bending space-time.

On whether it's tech or magic, I'm operating under the assumption that it is all either tech or inherent superpowers. The Destroyer doesn't really impress me. And I'd argue the Eternal Flame likely isn't Asgardian tech but something they plundered from Muspelheim. Mjolnir is pretty incredible though.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Krypton is more impressive tech wise than Asgard. However, the Bifrost alone certainly does not put it ahead IMO.

Originally posted by ares834
We aren't playing in the same field when it comes to gravity. Heck, we technically don't even know what gravity is. So I'd argue it's every bit as much a fantasy, if not even more so, than bending space like the Bifrost. Though, incidentally, based on our theories, both should be theoretically similar in that both rely on bending space-time.

On whether it's tech or magic, I'm operating under the assumption that it is all either tech or inherent superpowers. The Destroyer doesn't really impress me. And I'd argue the Eternal Flame likely isn't Asgardian tech but something they plundered from Muspelheim. Mjolnir is pretty incredible though.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Krypton is more impressive tech wise than Asgard. However, the Bifrost alone certainly does not put it ahead IMO.

We already have artificial gravity, but we're nowere close to replicating teleportation at even the tiniest scale.

And no, I'm not saying it's the bifrost only that puts Asgard ahead, but I do consider it their trump card which none of the other civilizations can match outside of Apokolips.

We don't have artificial gravity... We can simulate similar effects through things like rotation but that's nothing like creating gravity.