China can't take over the world

Originally posted by cdtm
Don't see the second happening realistically either. China has money, US companies want the money. A partnership = US companies get more money.

So if China surpasses the US, it won't be due to Chinese actions, as their role right now is "business opportunity".

Not sure if those predictions are very accurate either.

Reading this from BBC now:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55140845

She is back in her tiny Shanghai apartment. She's back at work too, in a bar and restaurant. But she's worried. She's worried about Chinese being targeted abroad.

"I don't want to see any harassment towards Chinese abroad," she told me as we talked in her kitchen. "We are normal and healthy. They didn't do anything wrong," she said.

Pan is one of a handful of young, working Chinese we spoke to as the country approaches its second year of Covid-19. At 27 much of Pan's trade is selling craft beer.

For Zhou Si Yi, who is a year older, much of her trade is crafting leather, in her studio in the corner of her seventh floor apartment. Zhou told me she is very patriotic. Her mum is a member of the ruling Communist Party.

China is "like a hard rock. It won't be beaten by a virus,"

BBC taking the word of someone with party ties.

Did they take the Trump Administrations word at face value? Very shoddy journalism.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not sure if those predictions are very accurate either.

Reading this from BBC now:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55140845

BBC taking the word of someone with party ties.

Did they take the Trump Administrations word at face value? Very shoddy journalism.

Are you saying China hasn't recovered by economic standards?

Are you saying that the world shouldn't trust China's numbers?

Like you're not saying anything ground breaking here.

The truth is though is that China, like the turn of the century U.S., is a hot bed for economic investment. That hasn't changed and remains the main factor in it's economic prosperity.

That's not going away. Even if you don't like China, I definitely don't like some of the things going on there, to try and deny it's economic power right now is just trying to change reality for your narrative.

Like China is definitely a superpower that rivals the U.S. now.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this?

Are you saying China hasn't recovered by economic standards?

Are you saying that the world shouldn't trust China's numbers?

Like you're not saying anything ground breaking here.

The truth is though is that China, like the turn of the century U.S., is a hot bed for economic investment. That hasn't changed and remains the main factor in it's economic prosperity.

That's not going away. Even if you don't like China, I definitely don't like some of the things going on there, to try and deny it's economic power right now is just trying to change reality for your narrative.

Like China is definitely a superpower that rivals the U.S. now.

Originally posted by cdtm
BBC taking the word of someone with party ties.

Did they take the Trump Administrations word at face value? Very shoddy journalism.

That was a quote from some lady who makes leather handbags in her apartment about how she's patriotic and thinks China's one-party system makes it strong enough to not be beaten by a virus. What shoddy journalistic integrity over a quote from "party ties" are you b*tching about?

That's like getting pissed off at Fox News for quoting one of the 36 million GOP members' son in Austin who sells homemade cowboy hats when he said "I'm very patriotic, I think American democracy is what makes us stronger than the virus" and then calling Fox out for not taking the Obama administration's word at face value... how in the goddamn are you drawing an equivalency here?

It's a worthless statement from a complete nobody, and you think it demonstrates a Gotcha moment over journalism. Jesus effin Kryst

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What the fu... there are 91 million party members.

That was a quote from some lady who makes leather handbags in her apartment about how she's patriotic and thinks China's one-party system makes it strong enough to not be beaten by a virus. What shoddy journalistic integrity over a quote from "party ties" are you b*tching about?

That's like getting pissed off at Fox News for quoting one of the 36 million GOP members' son in Austin who sells homemade cowboy hats when he said "I'm very patriotic, I think American democracy is what makes us stronger than the virus" and then calling Fox out for not taking the Obama administration's word at face value... how in the goddamn are you drawing an equivalency here?

It's a worthless statement from a complete nobody, and you think it demonstrates a Gotcha moment over journalism. Jesus effin Kryst

Her mom is a party leader, and BBC is using her word as "proof" that the coronivirus didn't hurt China.

Which is where most of the data comes from as well, direct from the PRC. Criticisms of obstructing the WHO and other organizations are plentiful.

About as reliable as trusting the Trump administration on the US, if that was the only source we had (Like the government line in a China is literally all we have)

Originally posted by cdtm
Her mom is a party leader, and BBC is using her word as "proof" that the coronivirus didn't hurt China.

Which is where most of the data comes from as well, direct from the PRC. Criticisms of obstructing the WHO and other organizations are plentiful.

About as reliable as trusting the Trump administration on the US, if that was the only source we had (Like the government line in a China is literally all we have)

Originally posted by cdtm
Her mom is a party leader, and BBC is using her word as "proof" that the coronivirus didn't hurt China.

"Zhou told me she is very patriotic. Her mum is a member of the ruling Communist Party."

A member. Not a leader. 91 million+ members.

Originally posted by cdtm
Which is where most of the data comes from as well, direct from the PRC. Criticisms of obstructing the WHO and other organizations are plentiful.

About as reliable as trusting the Trump administration on the US, if that was the only source we had (Like the government line in a China is literally all we have)

Party member =/= leader. Or ruler. Or even privy to confidential knowledge.

Aside from your backward interpretation of the article's verbiage and not understanding what it means for a BBC's business correspondent in Shanghai to interview small business owners in Shanghai about their businesses... what exactly is your problem with that article?

Not sure why everyones convinced Chinas massively lied about their numbers. Has New Zealand also lied ? Could it be other countries simply handled the pandemic 1000 times better than the U.K. and US ?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
For someone going on about citing someone, you're sure doing a terrible job of it yourself.

"Zhou told me she is very patriotic. Her mum is a member of the ruling Communist Party."

A member. Not a leader. 91 million+ members.

No it's about as reliable as trusting the son of the shmuck from Texas who makes a living off Etsy.

Party member =/= leader. Or ruler. Or even privy to confidential knowledge.

Aside from your backward interpretation of the article's verbiage and not understanding what it means for a BBC's business correspondent in Shanghai to interview small business owners in Shanghai about their businesses... what exactly is your problem with that article?

That's what you get from

'China is a hard rock. It won't be beaten by virus'

That's straight up pro chinese propaganda, what's the matter with you?

And I thought Mr Mind was a Chinaer (Like a Trumper, only for anything China)

Just remember, useful idiots are the first they put against the wall. 😛?

Ooof, you're the special kind. Well good luck out there, buddy. You'll need it.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ooof, you're the special kind. Well good luck out there, buddy. You'll need it.

She thinks the "secret" behind this is the way China is governed. "The secret is that we only have one leader, which is our Party Secretary," she said. "Everyone will listen to the leadership."

And you really think that means

BBC's business correspondent in Shanghai to interview small business owners in Shanghai about their businesses..

Because I'm not seeing what you're seeing here. This is more then a small business owner talking about how the coronivirus is hurting business.

^ Yeah but “She Thinks” is just that... Her opinion. Not BBC Propaganda. BBC also interviewed radical Trumpers on Election Day claiming votes were being rigged. That doesnt mean they were endorsing Trumps lies.

Anyhow There are obviously advantages to an authoritarian regime. Doesnt mean its right or moral to govern that way.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's what you get from ?

That's straight up pro chinese propaganda, what's the matter with you?

And I thought Mr Mind was a Chinaer (Like a Trumper, only for anything China)

Just remember, useful idiots are the first they put against the wall. 😛?

So it seems a little weird to take a BBC interview piece and try to say that the BBC is pro china like you are.

Especially when they have articles like this
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56963996

or this one
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-56513257

It's almost like in order to come to your conclusion you chose a single article ignored it's context/other articles and took that misrepresentation as gospel.

BBC are scumbags, but the last thing I would accuse them of doing is being pro-China.

Originally posted by -Pr-
BBC are scumbags, but the last thing I would accuse them of doing is being pro-China.

Yeah

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-current-state-of-the-Hong-Kong-protests

I keep seeing this kind of thing on Quora lately.

A topic "What is the current state of Hong Kong protests". So far, a single responder puts up a response at long as your arm, full of more images then a comic book respect thread, all essentially saying the protestors were violent thugs, the protests are dead thanks to "decisive action from Beijing", and that life under China is pretty good anyways.

Say anything at all about China and you get someone like this, if not a dozen.

I remember one poor guy from Taiwan who was simply arguing for some recognition from the UN, and he gets a Chinese asshole telling him "HAHA, you people aren't a real country! Suck it!"

Not in those words, but just as condescending.

I don't get it.

Originally posted by cdtm
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-current-state-of-the-Hong-Kong-protests

I keep seeing this kind of thing on Quora lately.

A topic "What is the current state of Hong Kong protests". So far, a single responder puts up a response at long as your arm, full of more images then a comic book respect thread, all essentially saying the protestors were violent thugs, the protests are dead thanks to "decisive action from Beijing", and that life under China is pretty good anyways.

Say anything at all about China and you get someone like this, if not a dozen.

I remember one poor guy from Taiwan who was simply arguing for some recognition from the UN, and he gets a Chinese asshole telling him "HAHA, you people aren't a real country! Suck it!"

Not in those words, but just as condescending.

I don't get it.

The U.S. is that much different in wanting to spew propaganda which includes from it's citizens. I'm not saying the U.S. is bad as China is but it closer than you think. We also came dangerously close to spiraling down the route during Trump's teen. If he had managed to get the election overturned I think you would have seen the differences between America and China/Russia start to erode real quick.

Trump definitely would have went for a third term or tried to prop up one of his kids.

Chinese flu took over the world