Most shitty weirdo's, Inhumans, Eternals, New Gods?

Originally posted by cdtm
New Gods aren't shitty, they're just poorly written. Same as John Constantine being way ooc in 90% of appearances, that is no fault of the character.

Read Kirby's older work like Mr. Miracle. And Walter Simonson's Orion for a proper Darkseid:

https://m.comixology.com/Orion-2000-2002-24/digital-comic/461709

Read the preview pages. Tell me you don't wish this was Darkseid all the time.

That was Kirby’s intention from the get go. Though Darkseid was evil, he was never the master of evil like most writers these days portrays him.

Kirby’s Darkseid was funny sometimes. He also ****ed with the New Genesis Gods fir shit and giggles sometimes.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, I gotta invoke Leo's Outlier vs Consistency thread idea here.

I'm sure we could mention a standout arc or character, but having 90% shit stories kinda indicates the character and their story is shit, no?

Especially when the "good" portrayal is the character essentially not acting like themselves.

Spartan 3.0 is a good example. Incredible at his peak, but he was essentially a new character. He was given a much more robust inner world during his best years. Before that, and after if we're being honest, he was completely generic and forgettable.

Originally posted by SquallX
That was Kirby’s intention from the get go. Though Darkseid was evil, he was never the master of evil like most writers these days portrays him.

Kirby’s Darkseid was funny sometimes. He also ****ed with the New Genesis Gods fir shit and giggles sometimes.

Someone gets it! 😁

That, exactly.

My favorite scene from Mr. Miracle:

Ruins Scott and Barda's wedding just to be a dick. 😝

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, I gotta invoke Leo's Outlier vs Consistency thread idea here.

I'm sure we could mention a standout arc or character, but having 90% shit stories kinda indicates the character and their story is shit, no?

Especially when the "good" portrayal is the character essentially not acting like themselves.

Spartan 3.0 is a good example. Incredible at his peak, but he was essentially a new character. He was given a much more robust inner world during his best years. Before that, and after if we're being honest, he was completely generic and forgettable.

That just means 90% of writers are bad writers. Superman is written pretty awful most of the time, only Morrison and ironically Garth Ennis really "gets" him.

And Batman has far too many examples of godawful character writing. Like War Games.

Eternals>Inhumans>New Gods

Originally posted by cdtm
That just means 90% of writers are bad writers. Superman is written pretty awful most of the time, only Morrison and ironically Garth Ennis really "gets" him.

And Batman has far too many examples of godawful character writing. Like War Games.

Out of character moments do happen of course, and they occur to most mainstream comic characters; however, you're talking about someone being out of character all the time. At that point, that is the character, isn't it? If Darkseid is only a "proper" Darkseid in a story from 800 years ago, then is that really Darkseid? We'd just be talking about what we want him to be, rather than what he is.

For comparison's sake, only Remender and Morrison can write a compelling Fantomex. Other writers still have him in character, but they fail to make it feel organic for various reasons. The hall of mirrors thing is difficult to pull off. That's different from Bendis X-23, where she's just blatantly not herself.

You're saying Darkseid is Bendis X-23, except he's always that.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I don't think the complaint is that they are out of character though, at least not egregiously so. It's just that the actual stories are usually dogshit or meh.

Out of character moments do happen of course, and they occur to most mainstream comic characters; however, you're talking about someone being out of character all the time. At that point, that is the character, isn't it? If Darkseid is only a "proper" Darkseid in a story from 800 years ago, then is that really Darkseid? We'd just be talking about what we want him to be, rather than what he is.

For comparison's sake, only Remender and Morrison can write a compelling Fantomex. Other writers still have him in character, but they fail to make it feel organic for various reasons. The hall of mirrors thing is difficult to pull off. That's different from Bendis X-23, where she's just blatantly not herself.

You're saying Darkseid is Bendis X-23, except he's always that.