I really can’t see Gladiator taking on the Silver Surfer let alone the vast majority of The heralds of Galactus.
really? surfer i agree with, but i'd take glads over any of the other standard heralds including morg. though i think this would be a very close fight and would take glads for a small majority.
Originally posted by leonidas👆
really? surfer i agree with, but i'd take glads over any of the other standard heralds including morg. though i think this would be a very close fight and would take glads for a small majority.
I'm starting to lean for Glads against Surfer too, but that's neither here nor there.
Originally posted by leonidas
really? surfer i agree with, but i'd take glads over any of the other standard heralds including morg. though i think this would be a very close fight and would take glads for a small majority.
Morg was going to kill them all while in battle with them. There's a difference between defeating one, and defeating them all at once. What battle feats does Gladiator have exactly? Why was he beaten so badly by a peer of Morg's? I'm referring to Annihulk. He beat Gladiator pretty covincingly. Like I said, I think that these two are on completely different levels.
Originally posted by Philosophía
👆I'm starting to lean for Glads against Surfer too, but that's neither here nor there.
That's odd after reading how high you placed Colossus in comparison to Gladiator.
where did glads fight annihulk? and i'm not sure how you can consider annihulk and morg as peers... if it's the same annihulk who premiered in the thanos/hulk, that versions whipped down the hulk and was considered a vast improvement over the classic version who stalemated thor. i'd say the annihulk who from the hulk/thanos is way above morg, and with the rod is likely in the trans tier. to me morg fits comfortably between ss and terrax. he's just more brutal than most heralds, but ss put him down handily when he grew angry enough.
yeah i've read it. morg admits he was given power almost at the ss's level, and ss admits he was taken by surprise by morg, which is why he was beaten. the rest is pretty irrelevant as morg used the water. and even with the water nova was able to put him down briefly, and terrax put up a pretty good fight. when he lost the PC he put up a small struggle, but each of the heralds fought a group of heralds in that arc and did well. gabriel did VERY well against the group, so i don't think his showing was anything special.
obviously this is just standard morg. gladiator can be as brutal as morg, and his showing against jane, his speed against asgard, his recent showing against galactus all exceed anything morg has done imo. morg's best showing was beating fl and gabriel at the same time in annual 7. but like i said, a po'd ss put him down.
i found the battle where he fought annihulk, but like i said, that was a more powerful than ever annihilus, and...hulk is hulk. i just think overall, especially more recently, glads has surpassed morg imo. it's close, and it would be brutal. morg would win some, but i'll still take glads for a slight majority here.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i've read it. morg admits he was given power almost at the ss's level, and ss admits he was taken by surprise by morg, which is why he was beaten. the rest is pretty irrelevant as morg used the water. and even with the water nova was able to put him down briefly, and terrax put up a pretty good fight. when he lost the PC he put up a small struggle, but each of the heralds fought a group of heralds in that arc and did well. gabriel did VERY well against the group, so i don't think his showing was anything special.obviously this is just standard morg. gladiator can be as brutal as morg, and his showing against jane, his speed against asgard, his recent showing against galactus all exceed anything morg has done imo. morg's best showing was beating fl and gabriel at the same time in annual 7. but like i said, a po'd ss put him down.
i found the battle where he fought annihulk, but like i said, that was a more powerful than ever annihilus, and...hulk is hulk. i just think overall, especially more recently, glads has surpassed morg imo. it's close, and it would be brutal. morg would win some, but i'll still take glads for a slight majority here.
I had to give your post some thought Leo. I have yet to see Gladiator defeat a trans tier character, let alone a high herald for a vast majority. Morg was for the majority of his appearances operating at low to mid trans if we took him at his most powerful. Again, the Surfer looked like a flea compard to Thanos who outright demolished him making it clear that he was far more than a high herald. If Morg was below the Surfer, why then was he able to contend with Thanos as a near equal? He gave Thanos as much trouble as Annihulk did. When I recall Gladiator's run-in with Annihulk, all I remember was a one sided ass kicking. These two aren't on the same level Leo.
If I made a thread called Gladiator vs the Heralds of Galactus, would you get a picture of Gladiator dominating them? Silver Surfer, Terrax, Firelord, Nova, Air Walker construct... Did I miss any? Well Morg would've killed them all if not for Galactus' intervention. What again did Gladiator do these days? Annihulk didn't finish the Hulk off. The Hulk actually fought back, while Gladiator... well Gladiator was sodemized.
Originally posted by Stoic
I had to give your post some thought Leo. I have yet to see Gladiator defeat a trans tier character, let alone a high herald for a vast majority. Morg was for the majority of his appearances operating at low to mid trans if we took him at his most powerful. Again, the Surfer looked like a flea compard to Thanos who outright demolished him making it clear that he was far more than a high herald. If Morg was below the Surfer, why then was he able to contend with Thanos as a near equal? He gave Thanos as much trouble as Annihulk did. When I recall Gladiator's run-in with Annihulk, all I remember was a one sided ass kicking. These two aren't on the same level Leo.If I made a thread called Gladiator vs the Heralds of Galactus, would you get a picture of Gladiator dominating them? Silver Surfer, Terrax, Firelord, Nova, Air Walker construct... Did I miss any? Well Morg would've killed them all if not for Galactus' intervention. What again did Gladiator do these days? Annihulk didn't finish the Hulk off. The Hulk actually fought back, while Gladiator... well Gladiator was sodemized.
You take too much in stock of who beat who while ignoring plot and PIS.
Bottom line : Gladiator is significantly faster than Morg. That advantage alone makes this a stomp.
2nd, Gladiator is significantly stronger than any character Morg has ever fought. Again, a stomp.
3rd, the way Gladiator treated Jane (who took it toe to toe with Odin and has insane strength feats) and how Thanos avoided a fight with Glads says more than anything Morg has ever done.
The only way Morg wins is if Gladiator does not have super speed and reflexes (can not easily see Morg's attacks to defend against them).
Originally posted by h1a8
You take too much in stock of who beat who while ignoring plot and PIS.
Bottom line : Gladiator is significantly faster than Morg. That advantage alone makes this a stomp.
2nd, Gladiator is significantly stronger than any character Morg has ever fought. Again, a stomp.
3rd, the way Gladiator treated Jane (who took it toe to toe with Odin and has insane strength feats) and how Thanos avoided a fight with Glads says more than anything Morg has ever done.The only way Morg wins is if Gladiator does not have super speed and reflexes (can not easily see Morg's attacks to defend against them).
And your only argument is power set. Battle feats for Gladiator please? Hopefully it's not of him fighting Cannonball.
I’d say gladiator would wreck fire lord and Nova pretty easily and I could actually see him giving terrax the sentry treatment. I don’t put much stock in the thanos skirmish and we have on panel commentary from morg that he isn’t as powerful as ss. The only reason he was able to tackle the heralds was because of the water. He was demolished by him at the end of the arc and as was clearly shown to be his superior. As I said each herald fought a group of heralds in that arc. He also has the benefit of being a new villain who made the classic grail-style splash. I think he’s firmly in the mid-herald tier and so is gladiator. Like I said it’s a good match up but I’ll still take glads. If gladiator fought terrax I think glads would destroy him. Terrax more than held his own and morg even though he was the most worthy of all the heralds. The way he beat the hell out of wonder man and wrecked masterson Thor along with his more recent showings put him slightly above morg imo. He also beat the hell out of heimdal, another very solid feat. He has his lows for sure. Morg lacks the appearances to have comparable lows but glads highs are enough to place him above morg IMO.
Did the OP state which version of Morg is being used? If it's the nerfed version sure. The showing against Thanos stands and is a part of his history. PC and WOL Morg would easily defeat Gladiator. Sentry's level has always varied depending upon Bob's state of mind. He may have been able to give Gladiator the Terrax treatment. In the end, Gladiator lacks feats.