Darth Maul vs Count Dooku (See details)

Started by Scizard2 pages

I only think Rebels Maul wins, TCW Maul kinda getting slapped.

Originally posted by ozz81
Cool but I hear from others that Dooku was very familiar with Obis style as he was the master of his master ie Qui gon Jin etc .. and also why Obi was doing well against aniken in ROTS as he was also familiar with his style as he was his master etc
Also with the maul vs Obi duels Maul wasn’t actually trying to kill Obi hence I guess not showing him outright beat him..
Dooku was familiar with all styles.

It is true that A>B>C logic doesn't always work. Fights have circumstances beyond just the skill and power levels of the combatants.

But the gap here is just too large. Maul and Obi-Wan are essentially more or less equal (with Obi-Wan being slightly superior during the Clone Wars and clearly superior during Rebels). Dooku is much better than Obi-Wan in both sabers and force powers, as clearly shown in CW Season 6 and ROTS.

If Maul ever had any chance against Dooku, he would have never struggled with defeating and killing Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by ares834

Even if we dismiss his loss due to overconfidence,

Theres no IF about it. He disarmed her weapons and he Had her Beat (just had to slice the other side of the beam). The director also flat out said she was the inferior combatant.

That said theres no arguing it was a genuinely good fight.

Originally posted by ares834

I'm far more inclined to give credence to the duels we observed over a dubious list.

This I agree with. Even comics and novels get contradicted easily. So a list in a source book really means squat next to actual on screen fights and feats.

It seems despite what they claim the old canon system of Movies > Animation > Everything else... is still firmly in place.

Originally posted by JediMaster97
But the gap here is just too large. Maul and Obi-Wan are essentially more or less equal (with Obi-Wan being slightly superior during the Clone Wars and clearly superior during Rebels). Dooku is much better than Obi-Wan in both sabers and force powers, as clearly shown in CW Season 6 and ROTS.

This.

Filoni clearly debunked the whole Maul >/= Dooku idea.

Maul seems much more on par with Rebels Ahsoka. Whatever level you put her at.

Cool good points , also I’m not sure how will you interpret this In one of the canon comics series sidous said Maul was a loss and Dooku a tool etc somthing along those lines : that comment from him gives me the impression that he’s favouring maul more than Dooku hence sees maul as better or more powerful perhaps !?

I mean, Palpatine put a lot more time/effort into Maul -- he was acquired when he was just a child, and Palpatine spent the next several years(a decade or two) intensely training him as a proper Sith apprentice. Conversely, Dooku was already a well-seasoned Jedi Master when Palpatine recruited him -- Palps taught him a few things, pointed him toward the Separatists, and said *GO!*.

So you could interpret that as the reason why Palpatine regarded Maul as more of a "loss" than Dooku. It's also conceivable that Maul possessed more raw/untapped potential than Dooku, which may have also factored into Palpatine's assessment.

^^ Awesome, well said Galan like how you explained it !

Basically Maul got handpicked by the strongest force user in the universe to be a proper apprentice for all his life and still lost to a padawan while Dooku rose through the jedi ranks constantly blocked by Yoda as the working class hero of the sith