Originally posted by zopzop
Why do you think that? They are at least multiverse level.
This is my view but Galan is the kmc authority on this.
Michael has power of the presence while Lucifer has his will.
Michael’s power is enough to make creation come into being. Perpetua and her kind make multiverses and a multiverse is a speck of dust when compared to the entire creation. 👆
It depends on how you interpret the term creation, what you feel the intent behind gaiman’s assertion was and whether you feel said interpretation is still valid in the current dcu. Since I hate what Snyder has tried to do to dc I choose to accept gaiman’s interpretation is still valid and agree that Michael>Perpetua and do. There is some reason to believe otherwise and Not everyone will or has to see it that way though.
Originally posted by leonidas
It depends on how you interpret the term creation, what you feel the intent behind gaiman’s assertion was and whether you feel said interpretation is still valid in the current dcu. Since I hate what Snyder has tried to do to dc I choose to accept gaiman’s interpretation is still valid and agree that Michael>Perpetua and do. There is some reason to believe otherwise and Not everyone will or has to see it that way though.
Agreed, this is why I began my post with “my view...”.
Originally posted by SquallX
Doesn’t matter. Michael Minus the Presence and Primal Monitor is the 3rd strongest in DC.
Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong, Lucifer is more powerful than Michael. Full power Synnar is more powerful than either since he created them and everything else aside from God. Mxy destroyed and recreated all of DC comics. Etc....
Lucifer is not more powerful since Michael was the one that beat him.
Synnar was retcon I believe.
When Mxy destroyed everything, the DC Multiverse didn’t even have the Presense, but it did have The source, the Voice and the Hand. Even still, are claiming Mxy destroyed the Presence and the likes?
Originally posted by leonidas
It depends on how you interpret the term creation, what you feel the intent behind gaiman’s assertion was and whether you feel said interpretation is still valid in the current dcu. Since I hate what Snyder has tried to do to dc I choose to accept gaiman’s interpretation is still valid and agree that Michael>Perpetua and do. There is some reason to believe otherwise and Not everyone will or has to see it that way though.
carey, not gaiman
gaiman didn't flesh out the brothers power/status
Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong, Lucifer is more powerful than Michael. Full power Synnar is more powerful than either since he created them and everything else aside from God. Mxy destroyed and recreated all of DC comics. Etc....
synnar is a one time villain that has been retconned out of existence
lucifer and michael are equal in power, this was stated
Originally posted by leonidasyeah and based off the argument there it seems like prime is winning. Maybe a better debater or a more knowledgeable poster can take over for team marvel in that thread.
I also find it interesting. No one that I can ever recall has suggested that Michael (or lucifer) could defeat ‘all of marvel.’ Yet some believe prime, who at least IMO<Michael, could do so. God bless the forum. Lol
Originally posted by SquallX
In what way?Or are you talking about the Lucifer series?
Don't worry about me, I'm biased. Growing up, I always found what I would call "christian mythology" to be fascinating. Particularly the part about how Michael could **** shit up on a level nobody but God himself/herself/itself could match.
Finding out that he wasn't like that in DC... well, that was just disappointing. But it's just a personal gripe.