Steppenwolf vs. AOU Thor

Originally posted by Psychotron
I didn't say that he never does it, but that he prefers to fight up close. I agree that Thor can win if he fights smart, but he's not smart in the MCU.

He Has fought smart though. For instance he never went H2H against The Destroyer at all. And outright admitted fighting Thanos without a new hammer would be suicide.

Given his history Hes very likely to repeatedly throw Mjolnir from a distance, dish out some lightning and fly a fair bit.

And if the What If series is anything to go buy, then im not even convinced Steppenwolf is stronger.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He Has fought smart though. For instance he never went H2H against The Destroyer at all. And outright admitted fighting Thanos without a new hammer would be suicide.

Given his history Hes very likely to repeatedly throw Mjolnir from a distance, dish out some lightning and fly a fair bit.

And if the What If series is anything to go buy, then im not even convinced Steppenwolf is stronger.

It doesn't take a genius to realize you need a special weapon when the other guy beat you half to death last time. Also, if he was smart he wouldn't have given Thanos time to snap.

Given his history he might to that once or twice and go full brawler for 90% of the fight. He's fought Hulk twice and used lightning and a hammer throw exactly once against him. He never used lightning against Kurse. He used lightning against Thanos only once in 4 fights, etc. The guy is a viking warrior and he likes to fight. It's in character for him.

So you think he'd be able to dominate Diana and Arthur in melee like Steppenwolf did?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And if the What If series is anything to go buy, then im not even convinced Steppenwolf is stronger.

I'm not sure we should be using the What If series to scale main timeline MCU characters, as their power levels have generally appeared to be above what's been shown in the live action stuff, with pretty much the sole exception being semi-retired/gardener Thanos.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So you think he'd be able to dominate Diana and Arthur in melee like Steppenwolf did?

What If Thor, like most What If characters, is crazy powerful. He literally smacked Captain Marvel hard enough to send her flying from France to the UK and shrugged off her return hit which sent him flying from the UK to the US.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'm not sure we should be using the What If series to scale main timeline MCU characters, as their power levels have generally appeared to be above what's been shown in the live action stuff, with pretty much the sole exception being semi-retired/gardener Thanos.

Peggy for example was jumping clean over 60ft castle ramparts and flipping Deuce & A Half's over her head easily and batting away tank shells. She'd wipe the floor with every MCU Super Soldier at the same time.

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Originally posted by KingD19
Peggy for example was jumping clean over 60ft castle ramparts and flipping Deuce & A Half's over her head easily and batting away tank shells. She'd wipe the floor with every MCU Super Soldier at the same time.

And What If Black Panther is so fast he can dance around automatic fire and maneuver around so quickly that it almost seems like he's teleporting.

What If characters are much closer, if not around the same level as the comic counterparts, or something like Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It doesn't take a genius to realize you need a special weapon when the other guy beat you half to death last time. Also, if he was smart he wouldn't have given Thanos time to snap.

Given his history he might to that once or twice and go full brawler for 90% of the fight. He's fought Hulk twice and used lightning and a hammer throw exactly once against him. He never used lightning against Kurse. He used lightning against Thanos only once in 4 fights, etc. The guy is a viking warrior and he likes to fight. It's in character for him.

So you think he'd be able to dominate Diana and Arthur in melee like Steppenwolf did?

Thor uses lightning and hammer throws in about 80% of his fights. He does not spam them as much as he does melee strikes but that doesn't change the fact that he still uses it consistently in his fights. Stop trying to force him to fight in a manner that's inconsistent with his depiction.

Saying Thor won't use lightning in a fight is like claiming Ironman won't punch in a fight.

And yes, if Diana fights as stupidly as she did against Steppenwolf then Thor should be able to handle both her and Aquaman at the same time.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor uses lightning and hammer throws in about 80% of his fights. He does not spam them as much as he does melee strikes but that doesn't change the fact that he still uses it consistently in his fights. Stop trying to force him to fight in a manner that's inconsistent with his depiction.

Saying Thor won't use lightning in a fight is like claiming Ironman won't punch in a fight.

And yes, if Diana fights as stupidly as she did against Steppenwolf then Thor should be able to handle both her and Aquaman at the same time.

He uses them once per fight or not at all most of the time. I already gave examples of times he did not use lightning against major opponents (Hulk in Avengers, Kurse, 3 out of 4 Thanos fights). Stop acting like Thor is some tactician. He uses his powers from time to time, but most of the time he likes to fight in melee.

Retarded comparison. Iron Man has probably thrown more punches in the Civil War final fight than Thor has thrown lightning in his entire MCU career outside of perhaps the ending of Ragnarok.

I'm curious how you think Thor is going to handle the massive speed difference + a sword that can cut even Doomsday.

Originally posted by KingD19
What If characters are much closer, if not around the same level as the comic counterparts, or something like Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

The crazy thing about the Thor and Captain Marvel showdown is they weren't even going all out. Carol explicitly states she was holding back, while Thor's attitude during the fight showed that he considered Carol little more than a nuisance who was interrupting his party time. Instead of trying to seriously injure or kill her, he even said that she just needed a "time out".

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The crazy thing about the Thor and Captain Marvel showdown is they weren't even going all out. Carol explicitly states she was holding back, while Thor's attitude during the fight showed that he considered Carol little more than a nuisance who was interrupting his party time. Instead of trying to seriously injure or kill her, he even said that she just needed a "time out".

Yeah, Carol never even went Binary, and Thor never struggled. He was just a frat boy trying to get in his mind a stuck up b*tch out of his way so he could party.

Not only that but when Carol is setting Thor up for her mega blow Thor says “I actually felt that one”

IOW everything before that end confrontation he hardly even felt !

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And What If Black Panther is so fast he can dance around automatic fire and maneuver around so quickly that it almost seems like he's teleporting.

I dont remember that tbh.

Why would anyone think Steppenwolf is stronger? He clearly is not and has zero feats to suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I dont remember that tbh.

It's from the episode with Iron Man and Killmonger, when they go to get the Vibranium from Klaue.

YouTube video

At the 30-second mark he goes offscreen to the left side and then almost immediately drops from the air to the right. And at the end he dodges all but the last few shots from the AK as he is charging the guy (not that they could hurt him anyway).

As fast and agile as main continuity T'Challa is, he's never been on that level.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Carol never even went Binary, and Thor never struggled. He was just a frat boy trying to get in his mind a stuck up b*tch out of his way so he could party.

That episode actually got me thinking and Thor is technically the Asgardian equivalent of that age. IIRC, it's mentioned in the first Thor film that MCU Asgardians, Frost Giants and the like have a lifespan of around 5,000 years. Thor is 1,500 as of Infinity War, which is like 30% of the total. If you apply the average human lifespan it puts his age in the early 20s by human standards.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That episode actually got me thinking and Thor is technically the Asgardian equivalent of that age. IIRC, it's mentioned in the first Thor film that MCU Asgardians, Frost Giants and the like have a lifespan of around 5,000 years. Thor is 1,500 as of Infinity War, which is like 30% of the total. If you apply the average human lifespan it puts his age in the early 20s by human standards.

Yeah, you totally get the "gifted but lazy athlete and his really smart, but really awkward introvert brother who both still live at home in college vibes" from Thor and Loki.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's from the episode with Iron Man and Killmonger, when they go to get the Vibranium from Klaue.

YouTube video

At the 30-second mark he goes offscreen to the left side and then almost immediately drops from the air to the right. And at the end he dodges all but the last few shots from the AK as he is charging the guy (not that they could hurt him anyway).

As fast and agile as main continuity T'Challa is, he's never been on that level.

He also launches a guy from the floor to the highest catwalk in the room which is only a few feet down from the ceiling. That's easily 40-50 feet high. And he's moving in short bursts of near superspeed it looks like.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has long range attacks which neither WW nor Aquaman can match. Well, technically WW had her weird bracelet concussive blasts which she somehow failed to ever use against Steppenwolf.

Still, if it was a pure melee fight then I might agree with you. But Steppenwolf has no counter to Thor's lightning or even a thrown Mjolnir.

As long as Thor fights like he does on average then he should win.

I don't see Thor spamming lightning on a single foe in battle. He will result mostly to melee with occasional lightning and thrown hammer.