Shang Chi vs Daredevil/Elektra

Originally posted by cdtm
Just imagine a 100 tonner knew them. Like if Thing knew pressure points in all those classic fights.

Come to think of it, Superman did use pressure points to effectively blitz peers:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c1349dee3d5423b20f478852eb70f3db

https://m.imgur.com/S4XrLPj

😂 Pressure points are OP.

And Shang Chi once tried to use pressure points Ben Grimm, but it was useless, Thing still held him in a bearhug aand could crush him, but the fight was interrupted.

But anyway, pressure points in fiction are legit cheats, which allows small and realtively weak characters defeats an opponents way more powerful and stronger than them. Even bulletproff superhumans and other foes which usually shouldn;t have any troubles with a non-powered characters.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wolverine and Spider-Man can sit there and allow DD to hit them all he wants and they will not be severely damaged. Unless you think taking hits from class 50 and above characters is PIS (Luke Cage, Hulk, etc). Can't have it both ways.

Indeed. Plus, Echo once already used pressure points on Logan and he only became more angry. Daredevil also said than pressure points makes Wolverine angrier.

The only one ocassion where pressure points had a legit effect on Logan was his 1982 solo run, and there he was weakened by a poison and also because his healing factor wasn't that insane than it became in later comics.

Otherwise, it was outliers or PIS/bad writing.

Pressure points also worked in Enemy of the State, with Elektra using her Sais to paralyse him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pressure points also worked in Enemy of the State, with Elektra using her Sais to paralyse him.

As long as she kept applying the pressure, it was doing the trick, yes.

Yeah. Essentially negating his HF (same way Warpath could lock WWH's arms up).

Originally posted by Alex_Ferrana
The only one ocassion where pressure points had a legit effect on Logan was his 1982 solo run, and there he was weakened by a poison and also because his healing factor wasn't that insane than it became in later comics.

It needs to be said that Logan still did an excellent job "tanking" the first series of strikes --- which were sort of cheapshots, as he hasn't figured out yet that Shingen was the dirtbag who would try to murder him the very first chance he got during that "sparring" with bokkens.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. Essentially negating his HF (same way Warpath could lock WWH's arms up).

Yes.

I could mention how Wolverine was in a horrible shape, having just healed from being reduced to hamburger meat, dying at the hands of Gorgon and getting resurrected by the Hand before that, fighting the mind-control or missing the portion of his soul...

But truth is, it's the only example we have with embedded weapons in nerve clusters that are being kept in place.

It's much easier to argue that Wolverine simply wouldn't allow himself to get in that position if he was in his right mind and at 100%.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It needs to be said that Logan still did an excellent job "tanking" the first series of strikes --- which were sort of cheapshots, as he hasn't figured out yet that Shingen was the dirtbag who would try to murder him the very first chance he got during that "sparring" with bokkens.

Yes.

I could mention how Wolverine was in a horrible shape, having just healed from being reduced to hamburger meat, dying at the hands of Gorgon and getting resurrected by the Hand before that, fighting the mind-control or missing the portion of his soul...

But truth is, it's the only example we have with embedded weapons in nerve clusters that are being kept in place.

It's much easier to argue that Wolverine simply wouldn't allow himself to get in that position if he was in his right mind and at 100%.

His HF makes it hard to really judge how "worn" he is though.

And I'd like to think his comments about Elektra's speed hold water, as he never said anything about being unable to keep up because of the shape he was in, but simply expressed shock and awe at her speed level.

Originally posted by cdtm
His HF makes it hard to really judge how "worn" he is though.

And I'd like to think his comments about Elektra's speed hold water, as he never said anything about being unable to keep up because of the shape he was in, but simply expressed shock and awe at her speed level.

Such lip service matters to an extent, but would've mattered ten times more if hadn't had several voices in his head and hadn't been missing the part of his soul specifically responsible for some of his fighting spirit/skills.

Heather Hudson stated after the training exercise with robots that it is Wolverine's mind which makes him so dangerous, not his powers or fighting skills --- then you have Nightcrawler commenting that if Wolverine wasn't possessed, he would be able to negate any attack Kurt tried on him.

Historically, mind-controlled characters exhibit plenty of problems with their performance, hence why we avoid using those as legit examples on this forum.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It needs to be said that Logan still did an excellent job "tanking" the first series of strikes --- which were sort of cheapshots, as he hasn't figured out yet that Shingen was the dirtbag who would try to murder him the very first chance he got during that "sparring" with bokkens.

Yes.

I could mention how Wolverine was in a horrible shape, having just healed from being reduced to hamburger meat, dying at the hands of Gorgon and getting resurrected by the Hand before that, fighting the mind-control or missing the portion of his soul...

But truth is, it's the only example we have with embedded weapons in nerve clusters that are being kept in place.

It's much easier to argue that Wolverine simply wouldn't allow himself to get in that position if he was in his right mind and at 100%.

Great conclusion.

And same about a moment where "Wolverine was defeated by Daredevil with a single strike to the head with a dumbbell".

It apparently freed Logan from mind control of Hydra, if I recall correctly. So, Logan lost his consious and fallen, but not because that strike was too hard. Logan talken hits way worse that a dumbbell in the head (such as how WWH pummeled him in his head, causing Logan's brain rattling inside of his adamantium skull, and Logan still fought back as much as he could, WWH used a BFR tactics later).

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Such lip service matters to an extent, but would've mattered ten times more if hadn't had several voices in his head and hadn't been missing the part of his soul specifically responsible for some of his fighting spirit/skills.

Heather Hudson stated after the training exercise with robots that it is Wolverine's mind which makes him so dangerous, not his powers or fighting skills --- then you have Nightcrawler commenting that if Wolverine wasn't possessed, he would be able to negate any attack Kurt tried on him.

Historically, mind-controlled characters exhibit plenty of problems with their performance, hence why we avoid using those as legit examples on this forum.

With the noteable exception of an Eclipsed Superman beating on some Big Red Cheese, and subsequently beating Eclipsed Lar Gand to within an inch of his life while dying from lack of oxygen. 🤗