Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Citation needed.MCU massively succeeding while Star Wars has simultaneously struggled under Disney has often led to the revisionism that Star Wars was never that good. It's in a weird spot now despite some successful shows. I don't see anyone really overrating SW now.
It's like Star Wars will never be defeated by an even more popular franchise. What would it take for it to be bested by a new generation franchise?.
Originally posted by cdtm
How do you figure? No one is calling Rogue One the best sci fi ever.Firefly has been widely considered the tri-fecta of good sci fi drama, along with Farscape and Battle Star Galactica Reimagined.
Not widely. They are all mostly cult followings.
BattleStar Galactica was pretty big though.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Not to mention it borrowed heavily (to say the least) from other things like Dune, Valerian, and John Carter. Which would be fine, except so many Star Wars fans have no understanding or appreciation for the things that inspired Star Wars.
We do appreciate it and understand it. Lucas synthesized dozens of sources to create a new myth.
You could complain forever about the things Star Wars borrowed from the Dune series, but it doesn't matter. Before Dune their was Asimov's Foundation. Before Foundation there was John Carter Of Mars etc. etc.
Originally posted by roughrider We do appreciate it and understand it. Lucas synthesized dozens of sources to create a new myth.
Cheers to you for appreciating it, but largely bearded, nose-picking man-children Star Wars nerds do not. The box office numbers betray your assertion...
John Carter: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2002617857/
Valerian: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3044902401/
For comparison, the at least equally problematic Force Awakens...
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Cheers to you for appreciating it, but largely bearded, nose-picking man-children Star Wars nerds do not. The box office numbers betray your assertion...John Carter: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2002617857/
Valerian: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3044902401/
For comparison, the at least equally problematic Force Awakens...
John Carter and Valerian never had the benefit of having good movies in their respective cinematic universes preceding them. If Star Wars didn't exist on screen until The Force Awakens it wouldn't have performed as well as it did.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
John Carter and Valerian never had the benefit of having good movies in their respective cinematic universes preceding them. If Star Wars didn't exist on screen until The Force Awakens it wouldn't have performed as well as it did.
Nah, what they lacked was lightsabers.
https://twitter.com/ign/status/1460442758582345729?s=21
Another one bites the dust, but good riddance in this case. Makes ya wonder though when Star Wars will actually get to have a film again. At least they're being careful about what to release for the series on that medium though instead of being all willy nilly about it. After the ST they have to be cautious there.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
https://twitter.com/ign/status/1460442758582345729?s=21Another one bites the dust, but good riddance in this case. Makes ya wonder though when Star Wars will actually get to have a film again. At least they're being careful about what to release for the series on that medium though instead of being all willy nilly about it. After the ST they have to be cautious there.
Theyve always had this issue. Remember the Boba Fett film, or the Game of Thrones guys doing a film or Colin Treverrow directing Episode 9?
So doesnt seem like much has changed. Although nice to finally get some kind of confirmation that Rian is out. Think its been obvious his film wasnt happening for ages, but he kept trolling fans making out hes still around.
I think fewer movies right now can be a good thing, after a sequel trilogy and two prequel films (the trilogy grossed $4.5 billion worldwide, while the other two combined grossed $1.5 billion, so the brand isn't struggling under Disney.) Let the hunger and demand build up for them and concentrate on the TV shows, which have been excellent.
Originally posted by roughrider
after a sequel trilogy and two prequel films (the trilogy grossed $4.5 billion worldwide, while the other two combined grossed $1.5 billion, so the brand isn't struggling under Disney.)
Which is mostly due to Force Awakens $2bill and Rogue Ones $1bill, from a time when Disney Star Wars hype was sky high.
But yeah theyre obviously not struggling, but they clearly are scared AF to put a new film out.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yet you say Star Wars will never be defeated by a more popular franchise and that it's somehow more overrated than the MCU. You just have some weird inferiority complex with SW.
I'm saying how I find it confusing do to all the legions of Star Wars fans and how overrated the franchise is but they did not put all of their money in the box office to best endgame.
Star Wars cannot be defeated in being an overrated franchise but it somehow cannot make as much money as Endgame.