Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Disagree, but, there we go.
Even Boris didnt kick his former party leader out of the party.
Keir lied in his leadership campaign saying he would bring the party together. Hes broken most if not all of his 10 pledges.
I have a much longer list. But basically He really cant be trusted.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Where Trump failed to undermine democracy, Boris is succeeding."That's because despite Boris' goofy looks, he's very cunning and intelligent. As I'm sure you know.
You really need to vote the Tories out of power.
Or maybe he's a good and honest politician?
But no, lets continue this absurd narrative that all right wing politicians are evil, yet far more politically savvy compared to the good yet too honest for their own good left.
Originally posted by Darth ThorBoris instead just stuck up for bullies in his own party and supported brexit, not because he believed in it but because he wanted to **** over Cameron and further his career. Starmer, is by no means perfect but he looks right and sounds right to the centre. He also, I think, believes for the country to move on - we need to move away from Tory sleaze and corruption. For me a leaders personality is far less important than getting shot of this lot of entitled, corrupt and morally bankrupt toffs. We need to finish the Eton mess, before we end up in a dictatorship.
Even Boris didnt kick his former party leader out of the party.Keir lied in his leadership campaign saying he would bring the party together. Hes broken most if not all of his 10 pledges.
I have a much longer list. But basically He really cant be trusted.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Boris instead just stuck up for bullies in his own party and supported brexit, not because he believed in it but because he wanted to **** over Cameron and further his career. Starmer, is by no means perfect but he looks right and sounds right to the centre. He also, I think, believes for the country to move on - we need to move away from Tory sleaze and corruption. For me a leaders personality is far less important than getting shot of this lot of entitled, corrupt and morally bankrupt toffs. We need to finish the Eton mess, before we end up in a dictatorship.
Starmer had also bullied the left out of his party. Hes literally expelled Jewish Labour members for speaking out against Israel using the guise of Anti-Semitism, whilst turning a blind eye to Islamophobic or anti-black racist members.
He honestly doesnt believe in anything, hes just out to grab power.
As for Brexit that was a big f*** up by Labour with their 2nd referendum policy (which was going to be a sham referendum where Brexiteers couldnt win), instead of just doing their more sensible 2017 approach of ensuring a soft Brexit. And guess who was the shadow Brexit secretary who came up with that policy and pressured JC into going with it ? Yep that was Keir. He and other members stitched JC up, and now hes kicked him out of the Party. I mean seriously what a f***er.
Oh Keir Starmer will also be a corrupt sell out for sure. He hid he had big pro Israel funding in his leadership campaign. He fooled the members into electing him leader then turned his back on them. Hes changed the rules to prevent a left wing politician from ever being voted in as Labour leader again.
If they insist on having someone more centre (I dont see the need except blaming the left for everything thats gone wrong), then Bring in Andy Burnhan as leader and I will reconsider voting Labour. But no way im voting for them with KS in charge.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Boris instead just stuck up for bullies in his own party and supported brexit, not because he believed in it but because he wanted to **** over Cameron and further his career. Starmer, is by no means perfect but he looks right and sounds right to the centre. He also, I think, believes for the country to move on - we need to move away from Tory sleaze and corruption. For me a leaders personality is far less important than getting shot of this lot of entitled, corrupt and morally bankrupt toffs. We need to finish the Eton mess, before we end up in a dictatorship.
Shot? What, you think they're gonna personally shoot you now? 😂
You seem paranoid, might want to get a mental health evaluation.
Originally posted by Darth ThorI'll reply in more detail later, as I say no fan of Starmer but Labour under any leader is better than the Tories under any leader.
Starmer had also bullied the left out of his party. Hes literally expelled Jewish Labour members for speaking out against Israel using the guise of Anti-Semitism, whilst turning a blind eye to Islamophobic or anti-black racist members.He honestly doesnt believe in anything, hes just out to grab power.
As for Brexit that was a big f*** up by Labour with their 2nd referendum policy (which was going to be a sham referendum where Brexiteers couldnt win), instead of just doing their more sensible 2017 approach of ensuring a soft Brexit. And guess who was the shadow Brexit secretary who came up with that policy and pressured JC into going with it ? Yep that was Keir. He and other members stitched JC up, and now hes kicked him out of the Party. I mean seriously what a f***er.
Oh Keir Starmer will also be a corrupt sell out for sure. He hid he had big pro Israel funding in his leadership campaign. He fooled the members into electing him leader then turned his back on them. Hes changed the rules to prevent a left wing politician from ever being voted in as Labour leader again.
If they insist on having someone more centre (I dont see the need except blaming the left for everything thats gone wrong), then Bring in Andy Burnhan as leader and I will reconsider voting Labour. But no way im voting for them with KS in charge.
Originally posted by BlakemoreSo is Andy B.
Sounds like Kier has some close ties with Blair.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'll reply in more detail later, as I say no fan of Starmer but Labour under any leader is better than the Tories under any leader.
That's too hard to say. All I know is I can't trust Starmer (I'm not voting Tories either btw lol).
But would you say Blair is a better choice than Boris?
I'm generally not a fan of voting the lesser of two evils, unless I can clearly see one is A LOT LESS Evil and has potential to do some good.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
So is Andy B.
That's true. He voted for the Iraq war which is usually a straight up NO for me. But then so did Biden and he's withdrawn from Iraq.
Any centrist will have ties to Blair. But Burnham also seems to actually care about stuff, and he does seem to have moved more towards the left since the Blair days.
Originally posted by Blakemore
This is the problem with being a centrist. Move slightly to the left, you get extreme leftists encouraging you to go further that way, move further to the right, you get extreme rightists encouraging you to go further that way.Can't I just say you're both stupid?
They're just labels. Depends what policies they believe in, and how consistent they are. We all hate hypocrites, liars and sell outs. Being power hungry is always a bad sign as well.