Yeah you must've missed the bit where it says "you can boost once, maybe twice"
You must've also must've misinterpreted the bit where it says it can affect "immune response" which is specific to a single virus/vaccine with immune system which is not.
Except I don't think you did miss it. I think you knew that and decided to attempt to misrepresent it deliberately and hoped no one would notice.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Yeah you must've missed the bit where it says "you can boost once, maybe twice"You must've also must've misinterpreted the bit where it says it can affect "immune response" which is specific to a single virus/vaccine with immune system which is not.
Except I don't think you did miss it. I think you knew that and decided to attempt to misrepresent it deliberately and hoped no one would notice.
What you say actually makes alot of sense. Thank you for clearing that up.
I don't intentionally misrepresent things, I'm going off my info sources the way anyone else does.
The point I took from the article is that continuous boosting will compromise the immune system, which seems like an inevitability because it was originally only going to be 1 vax, then it became 2, now you need 3+ a booster, and I predict the boosting will go on indefinitely.
Am I wrong in those assumptions ?
Originally posted by ilikecomicsThe point I took from the article is that continuous boosting will compromise the immune system, which seems like an inevitability because it was originally only going to be 1 vax, then it became 2, now you need 3+ a booster, and I predict the boosting will go on indefinitely.
Am I wrong in those assumptions ?
Yes, you're wrong in those assumptions because your immune system responding to one specific stimuli doesn't affect how it responds to a completely different stimuli. The point they are trying to make is that they believe if you keep immunising against SARS-CoV-2 then your body won't create antibodies naturally against SARS-CoV-2 if and when the need arises. It doesn't mean your body won't create antibodies against any other virus. I don't know what, if any, their scientific basis is for that hypothesis because I haven't read any scientific literature about it. It should also be noted that many of the European countries that the EMA speak on behalf of have been critical of the UK for essentially "hogging" all the vaccines they've manufactured for their own citizens and so arguing against boosters is something they've done as a roundabout way of saying the UK should be providing those boosters to other European countries instead of boosting their own citizens.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Yes, you're wrong in those assumptions because your immune system responding to one specific stimuli doesn't affect how it responds to a completely different stimuli. The point they are trying to make is that they believe if you keep immunising against SARS-CoV-2 then your body won't create antibodies naturally against SARS-CoV-2 if and when the need arises. It doesn't mean your body won't create antibodies against any other virus. I don't know what, if any, their scientific basis is for that hypothesis because I haven't read any scientific literature about it. It should also be noted that many of the European countries that the EMA speak on behalf of have been critical of the UK for essentially "hogging" all the vaccines they've manufactured for their own citizens and so arguing against boosters is something they've done as a roundabout way of saying the UK should be providing those boosters to other European countries instead of boosting their own citizens.
If your body quits making covid antibodies, doesn't that mean you would have to boost indefinitely ?
Originally posted by ilikecomics
If your body quits making covid antibodies, doesn't that mean you would have to boost indefinitely ?
They don't know what will happen because there's never been a virus that's needed multiple boosters within a short period of time. They'll have to study Israel closely but to answer you more directly. Theoretically, no because the booster's ability to illicit an immune response will also drop so there'd be no point.
A better tactic would be to stop boosters after the 3rd total dose and reengineer the vaccine for newer variants
Originally posted by ilikecomicsNot necessarily. The immune system is weird. Memory B cells patrol the lymphatic system waiting for that same pathogen to show up again. They don't produce antibodies, they just walk and watch. As soon as the pathogen shows up again they can instantly transform in Plasma cells that produce the specified antibodies en masse without needing to wait for the days-long activation process that initiated those B cells in the first place (which can be too long and the organism can be killed in the waiting period).
If your body quits making covid antibodies, doesn't that mean you would have to boost indefinitely ?
Alot of the logic behind boosters isn't to "re-immunize" someone, but rather to pre-empt Memory B cell movement during times of mass infections or outbreaks, like the spiking numbers from Delta or Omicron. Even the fully vaccinated can still play host to the virus as it replicates and mutates (albeit it has a MUCH harder time doing so), so the quicker their bodies eliminate the pathogen (due to recent re-activation of their Memory B's via boosters) the less likely a new variant will emerge via reproduction-mutation.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Not necessarily. The immune system is weird. Memory B cells patrol the lymphatic system waiting for that same pathogen to show up again. They don't produce antibodies, they just walk and watch. As soon as the pathogen shows up again they can instantly transform in Plasma cells that produce the specified antibodies en masse without needing to wait for the days-long activation process that initiated those B cells in the first place (which can be too long and the organism can be killed in the waiting period).Alot of the logic behind boosters isn't to "re-immunize" someone, but rather to pre-empt Memory B cell movement during times of mass infections or outbreaks, like the spiking numbers from Delta or Omicron. Even the fully vaccinated can still play host to the virus as it replicates and mutates (albeit it has a MUCH harder time doing so), so the quicker their bodies eliminate the pathogen (due to recent re-activation of their Memory B's via boosters) the less likely a new variant will emerge via reproduction-mutation.
Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Amusingly this is the 3rd time this poster as "ilikecomics" has bought up the not so great Barrington Declaration.
When I made this thread is literally the first I've ever heard of it. I saw it on vox days blog. He dates all of his entries, his blog is vox Populi if you want to check it.
You can quote me mentioning, otherwise I'm going to assume you're lying about me intentionally.
Originally posted by ilikecomicsSadly those threads from that time are gone now...
When I made this thread is literally the first I've ever heard of it. I saw it on vox days blog. He dates all of his entries, his blog is vox Populi if you want to check it.You can quote me mentioning, otherwise I'm going to assume you're lying about me intentionally.
Originally posted by ilikecomicsWhilst the old threads you posted it in are long gone here's you changing the subject after one of the times you or your pal raised it and it got debunked... mmm
When I made this thread is literally the first I've ever heard of it. I saw it on vox days blog. He dates all of his entries, his blog is vox Populi if you want to check it.You can quote me mentioning, otherwise I'm going to assume you're lying about me intentionally.
Originally posted by cdtmmmm dur
Was never debunked, merely smeared without reason, as is par for the course.
Funny stuff
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Whilst the old threads you posted it in are long gone here's you changing the subject after one of the times you or your pal raised it and it got debunked... mmm
I didn't comment on the declaration there, I was asking squall about how he felt about the idea of a president because he's libertarian lite in the vein of Thomas sowell
Edit: I concede that I shouldve seen the declaration and the discussion around it. So you win.