Originally posted by lawest9I would argue classic Surfer who "gave life" to Quasimodo was his most powerful incarnation. He cured Hulk, stole Hulks power to breach Galactuses barrier. Something modern Surfer has never done.
Classic Surfer wasn't as powerful as he is in modern times, can Rom make a fight of it.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Problem with classic Surfer is that his power level was written too inconsistently, particularly in the original Lee/Buscema 18 issue run, he had high end feats like breaking the time barrier into the future under his own power and low showing like getting tossed around by a group of 2nd and 3rd rated inhumans.
I would argue classic Surfer who "gave life" to Quasimodo was his most powerful incarnation. He cured Hulk, stole Hulks power to breach Galactuses barrier. Something modern Surfer has never done.
Originally posted by lawest9Not much really changed as time went on, look at when Panther beat him with leverage... insane considering how physically strong he is.
Problem with classic Surfer is that his power level was written too inconsistently, particularly in the original Lee/Buscema 18 issue run, he had high end feats like breaking the time barrier into the future under his own power and low showing like getting tossed around by a group of 2nd and 3rd rated inhumans.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Yes that was PIS writing if there ever really was, although Carver insists that Surfer intentionally allowed Panther to do that to learn the FFs intentions for being involved in the battle taking place between Ego and Galactus, I would feel better about it if he showed me where that was said or implied.
Not much really changed as time went on, look at when Panther beat him with leverage... insane considering how physically strong he is.
Originally posted by lawest9it wasn't and isn't, that's yhe thing about comics, powers are all over the place. 👆 😂
Yes that was PIS writing if there ever really was, although Carver insists that Surfer intentionally allowed Panther to do that to learn the FFs intentions for being involved in the battle taking place between Ego and Galactus, I would feel better about it if he showed me where that was said or implied.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWAbsolutely Stilt and all this is why we waste our time arguing. The more appearances a character has the more inconsistencies, take Superman, half his fodder villians, who he struggles with for a page or two are not even Iron Man level like Bloodsport and all the many, many others that level.
To be fair, it's not the problem on Surfer's part - Hulk incarnations differ from each other.Sometimes, he becomes more susceptible to energy manipulation and/or telepathy.
Other times, he becomes crazy resistant to them.
Originally posted by lawest9👆
Yes, have to wonder from where he drew that conclusion?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Absolutely Stilt and all this is why we waste our time arguing. The more appearances a character has the more inconsistencies, take Superman, half his fodder villians, who he struggles with for a page or two are not even Iron Man level like Bloodsport and all the many, many others that level. 👆
Yes, but with Hulk's case, they're not inconsistencies - he was meant to be have unpredictable mutations and varying a lot since his beginnings in 1962.
The "Classic Surfer > Modern Surfer" argument might not be wrong per se, mind you --- but the Hulk is a bad example here.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYeah, Hulk varies no doubt. That said Surfer used Hulks rage to breach Galactuses barrier, Hulk has never really had a defined upper limit. He has always been credibly able to perform wacky shit.
Yes, but with Hulk's case, they're not inconsistencies - he was meant to be have unpredictable mutations and varying a lot since his beginnings in 1962.The "Classic Surfer > Modern Surfer" argument might not be wrong per se, mind you --- but the Hulk is a bad example here.
Yeah, Hulk's rage-enhanced strength is his most known trait (other than being green), but there's more to him than that.
He's a unique product of the gamma radiation, Bruce's fragmented psyche with multiple personalities, some supernatural elements (Green Door) and possibly other factors.
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Would you like Rom to be owned by Marvel again? Or you're happy with the new non-Marvel books?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWI know enough about Rom without knowing his total history, in the mainstream MU didn't he ended up dying and his planet destroyed? please fill me in if you know.
Yeah, Hulk's rage-enhanced strength is his most known trait (other than being green), but there's more to him than that.He's a unique product of the gamma radiation, Bruce's fragmented psyche with multiple personalities, some supernatural elements (Green Door) and possibly other factors.
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Would you like Rom to be owned by Marvel again? Or you're happy with the new non-Marvel books?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYeah, I've read almost every Hulk Comic including immortal, which goes from awesome to a bit of a shit show. Re: Rom, I'd love him back in Marvel.
Yeah, Hulk's rage-enhanced strength is his most known trait (other than being green), but there's more to him than that.He's a unique product of the gamma radiation, Bruce's fragmented psyche with multiple personalities, some supernatural elements (Green Door) and possibly other factors.
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Would you like Rom to be owned by Marvel again? Or you're happy with the new non-Marvel books?
Originally posted by lawest9Rom is lost in 616 so he may return, the builders destroyed Galador presumably, but none of that matters in Marvel. Anything and everything can return and often does. Remember the whole Universe has been destroyed and rebooted since then. Who is to say, Rom and Galador aren't out there.
I know enough about Rom without knowing his total history, in the mainstream MU didn't he ended up dying and his planet destroyed? please fill me in if you know.
Originally posted by lawest9
I know enough about Rom without knowing his total history, in the mainstream MU didn't he ended up dying and his planet destroyed? please fill me in if you know.
Not sure, asked Whirly that recently.
He did attend Rick's wedding with Marlo Chandler. In human form, as Marvel was already missing the rights (?), but it was him, he was called by his name and recalled their history.
His "death" happened later, off-panel, I believe. Annihilators series explored that, I think? They also introduced She-Rom.
We had a few Rom fans on the board, but they're no longer posting.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Anything and everything can return and often does.
Sure, they just need the rights back - without them, they're quite limited in using/mentioning the character.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Thank you, that info coincides with the history that I looked up on Rom, and yes Marvel is notorious for bringing everything back from death and destruction, to me it cheapens the quality of many of their stories.
Yeah, I've read almost every Hulk Comic including immortal, which goes from awesome to a bit of a shit show. Re: Rom, I'd love him back in Marvel. Rom is lost in 616 so he may return, the builders destroyed Galador presumably, but none of that matters in Marvel. Anything and everything can return and often does. Remember the whole Universe has been destroyed and rebooted since then. Who is to say, Rom and Galador aren't out there.
Over in DC. 'the last Superman story' involving pre crisis Supes ended with him permanently removing his own powers with gold kryptonite, but it was explained that story arc was an imaginary tale and PC Superman may still be out there somewhere.