Anyone see this interview? At 22:55 Gilliard says that Palpatine threw the fight and that he could have creamed Mace:
https://youtu.be/WPcAJcvITqc
Anyone see this interview? At 22:55 Gilliard says that Palpatine threw the fight and that he could have creamed Mace:
https://youtu.be/WPcAJcvITqc
This is a good find indeed, but does Gillard's word hold any weight in new canon? He did make it a point to say "at the time" (meaning he was talking about when the film was originally made and the intent back then)
Not that I have a problem with Sidious > Mace, because I've always found it odd to think that he could do what even Yoda could not. Just curious.
Yeah, canon has left the Mace/Palpatine battle ambiguous. Maybe Palpatine intentionally threw the fight; maybe Mace legitimately beat him... We don't really know one way or the other.
So even though Gillard's opinion may not hold much canonical authority, it doesn't really contradict anything, either.
There’s also this quote from Star Wars Encyclopedia (De Agostini) 83 Lightsabers and Jedi Equipment, which is apparently canon:
“The lightsabers may well have been unbreakable, but that did not prevent one of them from being lost during Palpatine’s battle with Mace Windu. Toying with the Jedi Master in anticipation of the arrival of Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine was willing to allow himself to be disarmed to appear more vulnerable when his soon-to-be apprentice arrived. His office window was shattered, and the weapon fell from his hands and down into the depths below when he deliberately left himself open for Windu to deliver a kick to his chest.”
Another user on CV posted both the YouTube interview and the quote. Here’s a link to the thread it was posted in:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/knightfall-vader-vs-mace-windu-2173857/?page=6#js-message-293
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
There’s also this quote from Star Wars Encyclopedia (De Agostini) 83 Lightsabers and Jedi Equipment, which is apparently canon:
“The lightsabers may well have been unbreakable, but that did not prevent one of them from being lost during Palpatine’s battle with Mace Windu. Toying with the Jedi Master in anticipation of the arrival of Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine was willing to allow himself to be disarmed to appear more vulnerable when his soon-to-be apprentice arrived. His office window was shattered, and the weapon fell from his hands and down into the depths below when he deliberately left himself open for Windu to deliver a kick to his chest.”
Wth!
Could have used a quote like that 10years ago lol
Originally posted by xPRIMExAh, so this source was published in 2020. Should be canon then.
There’s also this quote from Star Wars Encyclopedia (De Agostini) 83 Lightsabers and Jedi Equipment, which is apparently canon:
“The lightsabers may well have been unbreakable, but that did not prevent one of them from being lost during Palpatine’s battle with Mace Windu. Toying with the Jedi Master in anticipation of the arrival of Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine was willing to allow himself to be disarmed to appear more vulnerable when his soon-to-be apprentice arrived. His office window was shattered, and the weapon fell from his hands and down into the depths below when he deliberately left himself open for Windu to deliver a kick to his chest.”
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, canon has left the Mace/Palpatine battle ambiguous. Maybe Palpatine intentionally threw the fight; maybe Mace legitimately beat him... We don't really know one way or the other.So even though Gillard's opinion may not hold much canonical authority, it doesn't really contradict anything, either.
Not anymore. The new canon DeAgostini sourcebook states that Sidious “toyed with” Mace and that he intentionally allowed himself to be disarmed.
Originally posted by relentless1
its been clear from the get that Sidious was faking the whole thing lol nice to see it acknowledged in canon finally
Tbf confusion was always down to mixed messages.
1)Lucas says Mace overpowers Sidious in the saber battle but then Sidious feigns weakness in the Force.
2)Lucas says You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with Sidious.
3)Heck even Gillard ranked both Mace and Sidious on the same level in Sabers.
4) But then both Ian McDiarmid and Nick Gillard seemed to be under the impression that Sidious threw the fight.
5) And TCW shows Sidious carries two sabers so losing one shouldnt have left him saberless anyway.
6) Everyone (Lucas, Filoni, Gillard, Jackson) always gave the impression Mace was 2nd to Yoda in combat. Yoda who couldnt beat Sidious.
So guess it was Disneys tie to break.
Glad Disney has decided to double down on Palpatine being a boring invincible villain-sue. 👆 I preferred the notion that despite all his cunning and strategy, actually fighting Mace and Yoda in single combat was the closest Sidious came to being foiled, and even his prescience wasn't able to determine the outcomes of those fights. Buuuut I guess "muahaha losing was part of my plan all along" is just as good. How dull.
With how Disney has doubled down on wanking the absolute shit out of Vader, yet still going out of their way to show us that he is still less than nothing to Sidious, it really doesn't surprise me to learn that he was toying with Mace.
It also cements Yoda's status as the Jedi's #1 swordsman during the PT..... By a lot.