Red States reintroduce firing squads!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No one ****ing asked for your personal preference. If an innocent person is alive, there is still time and opportunity to correct the injustice. And it is not a non-argument, because the entire criticism of the death penalty is the finality of the punishment, you ****ing retard.

That's why we have a legal system in place.

But you're also arguing for violent murderers like the scumbags who killed the Petit family, including children. Like it or not, there are also unquestioned cases.

You can't seperate your hypothetical innocent person who was framed or victimized from the Adolf Hitlers, they are all part of this conversation.

Originally posted by cdtm
Then you'd end up with innocent people spending out their lives in prison. Personally I'd rather be killed.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why we have a legal system in place.

But you're also arguing for violent murderers like the scumbags who killed the Petit family, including children. Like it or not, there are also unquestioned cases.

You can't seperate your hypothetical innocent person who was framed or victimized from the Adolf Hitlers, they are all part of this conversation.

The point you're missing still: The state shouldn't being killing anyone. regardless of their crimes. if they're that terrible, lock them up for life. The fact that innocent people have been killed by the state, just makes the whole capital punishment thing even worse.

Though I think assisted suicide should possibly be an option for lifers, if they're of sound mind. The argument could be made.

Assisted suicide happens on death row.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Assisted suicide happens on death row.

Yeah, I guess you're right in the sense of death row inmates who have waived their right to appeal, but that can also take years. Forgot about those cases.

I'm thinking more of assisted suicide like some states have for terminally ill people, it happens rather quickly and painlessly. Should be an option for lifers in an ideal penal system where there is no death penalty.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why we have a legal system in place.

A legal system that frequently errs and convicts innocent people.

Originally posted by cdtm
But you're also arguing for violent murderers like the scumbags who killed the Petit family, including children. Like it or not, there are also unquestioned cases.

If killing is such a heinous crime, then the state has no business executing anybody.

Originally posted by cdtm
You can't seperate your hypothetical innocent person who was framed or victimized from the Adolf Hitlers, they are all part of this conversation.

I am not trying to separate them, and neither are you. The difference is that I do not think the state should execute anybody, whereas you are perfectly content with innocent people being executed, because it gets your tiny dick hard thinking about revenge.

Originally posted by Robtard
The point you're missing still: The state shouldn't being killing anyone. regardless of their crimes. if they're that terrible, lock them up for life. The fact that innocent people have been killed by the state, just makes the whole capital punishment thing even worse.

Though I think assisted suicide should possibly be an option for lifers, if they're of sound mind. The argument could be made.

No I understand the point. I just don't agree with it.

Also, why is assisted suicide illegal?

Originally posted by truejedi
Also, why is assisted suicide illegal?

Pretty much for the same logic Rob and Adam use to argue against capital punishment. False positives, or opening the door to medical abuse (A senior will never be independent and is hanging on a little too long and cutting into profits, maybe pressure him into suicide to free up bed space)

That an the political will just isn't there, any politician who supports it would commit political "suicide". 🙂

I happen to support the right to end ones life though.

Originally posted by cdtm
Pretty much for the same logic Rob and Adam use to argue against capital punishment. False positives, or opening the door to medical abuse (A senior will never be independent and is hanging on a little too long and cutting into profits, maybe pressure him into suicide to free up bed space)

That an the political will just isn't there, any politician who supports it would commit political "suicide". 🙂

I happen to support the right to end ones life though.

Medical professionals kill terminally ill people all the time in my country and yours and euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands (which you consider socialist).

Just stfu.

Originally posted by Blakemore
You're a total clueless asshat.

Medical professionals kill terminally ill people all the time in my country and yours and euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands (which you consider socialist).

Just stfu.

Not in the US they don't, we aren't talking about the Netherlands.

There is no laws for assisted suicide here. In rare exceptions the medical people are allowed to pump a terminally ill person with so much painkiller it would kill them, but that's rationalized as a byproduct of taking away their pain, and not the intent to end their life.

Originally posted by cdtm
No I understand the point. I just don't agree with it.

If you do understand, then Adam's point below is correct:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

I am not trying to separate them, and neither are you. The difference is that I do not think the state should execute anybody, whereas you are perfectly content with innocent people being executed, because it gets your tiny dick hard thinking about revenge.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not in the US they don't, we aren't talking about the Netherlands.

There is no laws for assisted suicide here. In rare exceptions the medical people are allowed to pump a terminally ill person with so much painkiller it would kill them, but that's rationalized as a byproduct of taking away their pain, and not the intent to end their life.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you do understand, then Adam's point below is correct:

It really isn't.

Originally posted by cdtm
It really isn't.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not in the US they don't, we aren't talking about the Netherlands.

There is no laws for assisted suicide here. In rare exceptions the medical people are allowed to pump a terminally ill person with so much painkiller it would kill them, but that's rationalized as a byproduct of taking away their pain, and not the intent to end their life.

Wrong again.

"Physician-assisted death or "medical aid in dying" is legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington." -snip

States with Legal Physician-Assisted Suicide

Blake is correct, you're a "clueless asshat."

😂

Well this topic went about the way I thought it would.

"The death penalty should go away as it's a level of power that should not be granted to the government to enact on its own citizens. Especially when the system in place for determining who it kills is far from infallible."

"But bad people did bad thing deserve to die!!! JUSTICE!!!"

Seriously though this is just stupid. People tend to forget there is a reason the firing squad fell out of favor time as a method of execution.

It's rough on the mental state of the executioners. If they miss they have to reload and shoot again. If they hit the wrong part of the body the person could take hours to die. Also imagine being on the short end of the straw of the person that has to walk over and shoot them in the head to ease any suffering.

People act like these same problems won't resurface.

The best solution is simply to lock them away for life.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong again.

"Physician-assisted death or "medical aid in dying" is legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington." -snip

States with Legal Physician-Assisted Suicide

Blake is correct, you're a "clueless asshat."

Medical aid in dying.

The person is already dying. The disease itself would kill them in about the same amount of time as the od.

That's an important distinction you're purposely glossing over.

Also:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_States

Assisted suicide is similar to but distinct from euthanasia (sometimes called "mercy killing.”) In cases of euthanasia, another party acts to bring about the person's death in order to end ongoing suffering. In cases of assisted suicide, a second person provides the means through which the individual is able to voluntarily end their own life, but they do not directly cause the individual's death.

So if you're paralyzed or unable to act, you're out of luck.

Doctors do not kill in the US, period.