Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rogue probably knows. Captain America used to test her on her knowledge of extinction level events (including the Annihilation Wave, specifically) when they were both Avengers.
If that's true then between Sunfire and TP then I don't see how the bugs stand a chance. But, that still leaves Thanos and TnA.
I mean....the entirety of the AWave could be sent to fight Thanos, Tenebrous and Aegis.
Assuming those three manage to kill the millions of bugs.....then the entirety of Krakoa would be focusing on them.
Between the reality warpers like Proteus and Legion, not to mention the black hole guys like the two Xorns, plus all that TP firepower..... mutants win this.
Sup phuckers and thots.
I don’t think the match is straight forward. To take out the Annihilation Wave by force requires someone with enough power to replicate what Galactus did at the end of Annihlation. Is there anyone that powerful in Krakoa now? Legit question, Ive only read bits off this X-Men. Most of the powerhouse mutants are gimped.
And even then, they would have to contend with T&A, Galactus Gun, Thanos, and Annihilus himself... who was fairly powerful with comic handcuffs and dildo. If at full power any of the top 4 mutants can solo the A-Wave.
As they stand right now…don’t know.
Also with all the heavy hitting telepaths, there is a really strong possibility that someone like Cassandra Nova to mind-phuck footers. More so since that army operates under a hivemind, you know how Cassie loves to use the back door, just ask Chuck. peaches
Originally posted by Classic NES
If that's true then between Sunfire and TP then I don't see how the bugs stand a chance. But, that still leaves Thanos and TnA.
It depends. If it's the cell that recently faced the X-Men then sure they'd win. If it's the wave from the Annihilation series then no they lose. Plus I'm not sure if they could control that many minds... Annihilus overcame Thanos mind control so maybe he could fight out the muties my biggi takeaway is the sheer numbers the AWave had plus ships and ground troops.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
It depends. If it's the cell that recently faced the X-Men then sure they'd win. If it's the wave from the Annihilation series then no they lose. Plus I'm not sure if they could control that many minds... Annihilus overcame Thanos mind control so maybe he could fight out the muties my biggi takeaway is the sheer numbers the AWave had plus ships and ground troops.
But no-one is talking about mind-controlling all the bugs. Just one person - the guy who holds the CCR, as you yourself pointed out. In this case, it's Annihilus.
Annihlus fought off Thanos' telepathy? When? Even ignoring that, Prof X+Cerebro+Jean+Emma+Sinister+Cable+Cuckoos+Quentin Quire+Mentallo+Mastermind+Apocalypse+cassandra Nova, all being amped simultaneously by Cortez+Hope+Synch, would annihilate Thanos, to the poitn of extreme overkill.
I mean, even Shadow King is part of Krakoa now, plus Madelyne Pryor and Selene.
And taking over the head of an empire is precisely Cassandra's MO:
She never mind-controlled the entire Shi-Ar (that's like, a million worlds). Just Lilandra, and everyone else followed on her word.
All that mental power, focussed on Annihilus? He'd be fried, assuming they don't just take control of him. That's again, ignoring other tactics they can utilise.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[b]But no-one is talking about mind-controlling all the bugs. Just one person - the guy who holds the CCR, as you yourself pointed out. In this case, it's Annihilus.Annihlus fought off Thanos' telepathy? When? Even ignoring that, Prof X+Cerebro+Jean+Emma+Sinister+Cable+Cuckoos+Quentin Quire+Mentallo+Mastermind+Apocalypse+cassandra Nova, all being amped simultaneously by Cortez+Hope+Synch, would annihilate Thanos, to the poitn of extreme overkill.
I mean, even Shadow King is part of Krakoa now, plus Madelyne Pryor and Selene. [/B]
And Exodus is there too I guess, but yes that lot would be overkill.
Taking over key figures in the wave would probably be a viable strategy.
Take T&A out of it and this could actually be a pretty interesting battle.
Tenebrous and Aegis did nothing of note. They punched and blasted, but that was it. What are their TP resistance feats? Transmutation durability? If Colossus did a fastball special with Logan (then amped by Magneto), would he go through them like nothing? What happens if he headshots them?
Hell, what if Proteus clicks his fingers would they turn into daisies? They have zero feats, really. Eden could send them to the Crunch.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, they did- through punches and blasts. Cool , sure, but do they have any other powers?For example, what happens if Shadowcat phases them?
What about implied power Aka power-scaling? For example Mistress Love doesn't have feats but because she's part of the cosmic hierarchy it's implied that she's powerful. Technically, wolverine has more feats than her but you wouldn't argue that logan could beat her?
Originally posted by Classic NESThis is a very good question actually -- how far does the power transference go? We do this with general direct comparison of abilities abilities [i.e. if somebody has a good fistfight with a very serious Namor who doesn't tend to hold back, we can assume they're in the same ballpark of strength/durability], but in terms of 'stature'? I'm not sure. T&A obviously have [as far as shown abilities] nigh-parity with Galactus [i.e. pew pew blasts and some slugfesting], but I don't think it's fair to assume they have all of the other abilities [and versatility] of Galactus, nor is it provable. So this thread can't be a two pseudo nigh-Galactus(es) in the Annihilation Wave.
What about implied power Aka power-scaling? For example Mistress Love doesn't have feats but because she's part of the cosmic hierarchy it's implied that she's powerful. Technically, wolverine has more feats than her but you wouldn't argue that logan could beat her?
But with somebody like Mistress Love, or a hypothetical abstract that is featless and is only presented as "part" of a large conglomerate of beings of [varying] powers? I don't know -- I'd tend to, unless shown otherwise [i.e. direct comparison, feats or a fight] either not use them, or give them very little credit.
Originally posted by Classic NESSure. It places them somewhere below Iceman.
I'm probably wrong about this but I'll forward it anyway. But, don't cosmics and abstracts of a comparable level often share a similar powerset?
Originally posted by Smurph
Sure. It places them somewhere below Iceman.
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