Originally posted by Smurph
So when you played out the Hellstrom vs Alan fight in your head a million times, those are the showings that made you think it was a close fight?
Know, his showings vs continental level TPers like mindstar and other hell lord level characters are, I was getting ready for work and school run when I posted and only had time to skim a respect thread which only had a very few psionic showings in it, not look for the feats. I assumed if I had just mentioned feats without support they would be ignored.
For the record I don't believe it's a close fight, I said a hard fight. I think Helstrom has the ability to take some wins (I even specifically said not a majority) and the ability to occupy Alan until others of the defenders have dealt with the JSAer they have squared off against.
He can do this due to his durability and healing and being able to take punishment long enough for his soul manip to have a significant enough affect to undermine Alan's will. Or enough effect for Alan to loose control of the starheart making himba danger and adversary to his own team. His ability to damage soak and heal from it means Alan can pile on for quite a while and not finish Daimon. Add to that the shields he can create as well, teleport and time manip to avoid attacks, mystical senses to anticipate said attacks. If that takes long enough for Daimon to affect his will and undermine his power is where the question is. In my head he can do so 4 to 4.5 out of 10
Obsidian has soul manip feats on the same level as Daimon outside his battles with his father and has done as much to affect his father. Eclipso does also. It's the same ballpark as others who've taken wins from Alan bia this method.
Originally posted by beatboks
Know, his showings vs continental level TPers like mindstar and other hell lord level characters are, I was getting ready for work and school run when I posted and only had time to skim a respect thread which only had a very few psionic showings in it, not look for the feats. I assumed if I had just mentioned feats without support they would be ignored.For the record I don't believe it's a close fight, I said a hard fight. I think Helstrom has the ability to take some wins (I even specifically said not a majority) and the ability to occupy Alan until others of the defenders have dealt with the JSAer they have squared off against.
He can do this due to his durability and healing and being able to take punishment long enough for his soul manip to have a significant enough affect to undermine Alan's will. Or enough effect for Alan to loose control of the starheart making himba danger and adversary to his own team. His ability to damage soak and heal from it means Alan can pile on for quite a while and not finish Daimon. Add to that the shields he can create as well, teleport and time manip to avoid attacks, mystical senses to anticipate said attacks. If that takes long enough for Daimon to affect his will and undermine his power is where the question is. In my head he can do so 4 to 4.5 out of 10
Obsidian has soul manip feats on the same level as Daimon outside his battles with his father and has done as much to affect his father. Eclipso does also. It's the same ballpark as others who've taken wins from Alan bia this method.
Obsidian shits on Hellstrom and a serious Alan literally oneshots him twice (first in JSA 10 and then in Princes of Darkness) when he was controlling entire Earth. Forget about Eclipso.
Again, your make believe fanfiction doesn't work when Hellstrom simply doesn't has feats to contend with.