Originally posted by zopzop
Adam should still win since he's basically Hercules+.
Herc’s only hope would come in the slight possibility that he were able to force a grapple. If he did manage this, a rear choke could lead to victory, but it should ultimately be Teth’s fight to lose due in large part to his superior speed, and vastly greater maneuverability.
Hercules with gear would also afford him a durability buff, as well as striking bonuses. Hercules without gear has near planetary level strength feats at his highest of high showings making him stronger than Thor.
Thor was given a Class 100 pass during the 1980’s, but was listed as being at Wonder Man levels of strength during the 1970’s. It plainly stated that he could lift 95 tons. For the sake of clarity; I do not believe that the 95 ton listing, or any of the listings were meant to be taken literally.
These numbers were meant to be understood as what the character could easily lift, or press. Not what they could press at maximum. At maximum all characters go above listed weight. For example; Spider-Man has feats that crap all over the notion that he can only lift 10 tons at max.
All the same, Hercules has always been listed as a Class 100 character that was stated to be able to lift incalculable amounts of weight.
The way that I've understood the strength charts is that if a character is listed as an class 100 that does not at all means that his strength level is limited at 100tons only, but the class listings is for comparable against other characters only and not to be taken literally, for a time for example the Thing was listed as class85 but we seen him lift weights many times beyond 85tons and as the case with many other characters, not surprising that Parker can actually lift well above 10tons.
Originally posted by Sin I AMI understand what you are asking but again the best way to measure that are their battles against Superman, one could considered that Herc knocked Clark into a building while Herc was said to be at only half strength while a half powered BA is not likely going to do that to Supes.
That's not what I'm asking. Is Black Adam's strength considered equal to or greater than DC Hercules strength?
Originally posted by lawest9
I understand what you are asking but again the best way to measure that are their battles against Superman, one could considered that Herc knocked Clark into a building while Herc was said to be at only half strength while a half powered BA is not likely going to do that to Supes.
Superman is a terrible measuring stick. He allows stuff like that to happen
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I would say equal, based purely on statements. BA = Cap Marvel = Strength of Hercules.He can then amp this with the Power of Aton, so should then be stronger overall. But just strength, he should be the same.
Yea and I was thinking force multipliers due to speed
Originally posted by lawest9
Also they both fought WW so you can do a take away from there.
Marvel Hercules is stronger than DC Hercules based on feats. DC Hercules has been shown to be weaker than Superman and Wonder Woman too. And in WW's case. Being stronger than Hercules has been part of her intro since 1942. Stronger than Hercules, faster than Hermes remember? She has beat DC Hercules in strength when they faced each other in Golden Age, Bronze Age, Post Crisis. Now that i think about it. She also fought and beat Marvel Hercules in that Jla/Avengers Crossover. Black Adam should be stronger than DC Hercules. He should be closer to an equal to Superman in (Post Crisis at least) than most other DC heroes. Or am i missing info about DC Hercules? Still i think BA wins this match
Originally posted by lawest9
Marvel Hercules was also restraining WW in their 2nd round match as well while taking blasts from Wasp and Yellowjacket, but I understand that what she did to him was far more impressive than what he did to her.
But that was only because he attacked her by sureprised when she was fighting Wonder Man. There were 3 other characters that also started attacking her when Hercules attacked her by surprise in that moment.
Originally posted by lawest9
Marvel Hercules was also restraining WW in their 2nd round match as well while taking blasts from Wasp and Yellowjacket, but I understand that what she did to him was far more impressive than what he did to her.
Originally posted by light889
But that was only because he attacked her by sureprised when she was fighting Wonder Man. There were 3 other characters that also started attacking her when Hercules attacked her by surprise in that moment.
Originally posted by zopzop
Supposedly, there's context to that Hercules vs Wonder Woman fight. A few years ago, Rage posted scans showing Hercules wasn't at full power when that fight went down.
That's a retcon to the Avengers comic where he said his strength was halved.