Abortion

Yes, so? There are also people who got terminated because they did actually commit such a crime. Do you agree with that?

yes, and they were also certain about that example I gave...

why do we have to commit the same crime as they did? You would expact that we should give the example and show some humanity

It's still not very clear where you stand, though. Are you for or against the death penalty.

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against

Glad we cleared that up.

I'm pretty sure that you could see my opinion when you read my replies

Not really. You took one case where things went terribly wrong. One "mistake" doesn't necessarily make a whole concept wrong. So it was not clear and now it is. Thanks.

that was just one example that I knew about, rest assure, there are more then only that one

So if a 13 year old girl is raped and gets pregnant as a result of the rape what then? Should she be allowed to take an abortion or must she she it through until the birth of the child?

that's something different

As far as other people go I am pro-choice.

If it was my own child I would be against an abortion, but would HAVE to respect the choice of the mother. On the basis that Mandy is Pro-Life as well then that works out.

HOWEVER, if there were overiding medical reasons for an abortion, such as risk to life of the mother or serious birth defect then I think abortion is an acceptable measure. By serious I mean something that would mean quality of life was seriously compromised.

well, in Belgium, if the mother is in danger (if she can die while giving birth) so that's solved (the law also states that if there is something wrong with the child, something big, abortion is allowed but no obligation)

Abortion is legal for pretty much any reason in the UK.

I think I'm in the same boat as RC...

I don't think there's anyone who's really Pro-Abortion..well, other than some immature person who thinks that it's some kind of answer to overpopulation.

Dim, there are a lot of people here and therefor a lot of opinions, so there could be persons here that are pro-abortion...

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned, and it is a touchy one.

What about Abortion after Rape? There was a case of couple of years ago that made the headlines in the UK.

A teenager was raped and because of the strong Catholic feelings within her family and community she was forced to go through 9 months of pregnancy and give birth to the child, ehich then went up for adoption.

In my mind that was wrong.

And to top it all she had to give evidence at the rape trial whilst carrying the offspring of the man she was testufying against.

Look, I managed to bring three threads together in one...

ratcat, you are good!

well, she got pregnant against her will so abortion can be given her

I am MASSIVELY against the death penalty for any reason. I want no part of a socieity that thinks ending a life is a judicial solution. That says terrible things about said society, if that is all they can offer.

Meanwhile, I am pretty much pro-life... which is odd, because I would not, for example, obstruct a girlfriend/wife of mine if she wanted one in a 'bad' situation, or a friend who had gotten into difficulties. So that makes me seem rather pro-choice, but I'm not. I'd rather there WAS no choice, but while there is one I will respect that.

As for not having the 'right' to tell others... well, of COURSE we do! We say plenty of things are wrong. Murder, theft, arson... some people may not think they are wrong, but society DOES have the right to say that they are. And the same can apply to abortion- it doesn't HAVE to, but it can.

As far as I am concerned, I don't KNOW if abortion is murder or not. But I refuse to take chances with a human life! While there is doubt I think the safe option must ALWAYS be taken, and the rights of the mother do not go as far as possibly killing a child.

If we can ever actually PROVE where life begins, one way or another, it will be a LOT simpler.

So I am afraid it is the same with the rape scenario. I'm sorry... I wish we could make it so bad things did not happen. But we cannot, and while it may ruin a person's life that is nothing to the act of murder you COULD be committing by abortion. Even a rape victim does not have the right to kill another to restore her life to normal.

It MIGHT not be murder, I know. But I stillt hink it is too great a risk to take.

Of course, abortion in cases of medical emergency- where the survival of the child is impossible anyway- is different.

last time I checked abortion was KILLING a foetus (ok, sorry 'bout my English, this isn't exactly a term you use in the lessons)

Killing is ... ... killing, that makes you a murderer
(and I can't stand those)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am MASSIVELY against the death penalty for any reason.

Yerssot, that was my point, spot on. I am surprised though that some would still say that the child should be born. Strange.

Incidently the girl I referred to was 14 when the Rape happened and 15 when the child was born. How the Catholic faith was able to justify it's actions in this case is beyond me. That poor girl will probably be scarred for life, both physically and emotionally.