Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The lights are on with you, but even still the jury is out as to whether anyone is behind the wheel.-AC
Nikka, please.......
Babies are a clean slate who can go either way--good or bad. They deserve a shot at life. Yes, one of them might cure AIDS, and one of them might be the Anti-Christ, but we'll never know unless they have a shot at life.
"The glass is half full, not half empty."
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Nikka, please.......Babies are a clean slate who can go either way--good or bad. They deserve a shot at life. Yes, one of them might cure AIDS, and one of them might be the Anti-Christ, but we'll never know unless they have a shot at life.
"The glass is half full, not half empty."
It's spelled A-L-P-H-A, not Nikka.
That's not a rationale that can be applied here though. You cannot say "Babies shouldn't be aborted because they might do something good", because then the argument can be squashed by the equally stupid "No, abort all kids, they might become evil."
Just brainless sense.
-AC
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
So when I bet on my favorite team in the Superbowl, its stupid that I'm optimistic for my team???
Your favorite football team has a past record to go by. Your favorite football team has statitistics to go by. Your favorite football team has already made it to the Superbowl. Your favorite football team has no real effect on society.
You want to take away woman's right just because you desperately need validation for your very invalid position.
These two are very different from each other.
Here's my problem with the "human potential" argument. Everyone has potential. That guy serving burgers at Mcdonald's could have cured cancer. That homeless person downtown might have painted the next Mona Lisa. Who knows for sure?
But really, it's impossible to say because people aren't given the chance to release their potential to the fullest extent due to their lot in life. So why force children into harsh situations where they may never do what they could have?
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Why do you think optimism is not a good thing to have?
I didn't know I thought that, to be honest. I thought I said it was stupid to be against abortion because "The babies might become good people", and it is. I didn't think I was against optimism, probably because I'm not.
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
A negative, depressive, downer view will only kill people.
*Falls over*
Can someone give me a hand with all this irony? Can't handle it alone.
-AC
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Could have cured AIDS, made great art, been an awesome detective, etc.......
This line of thinking leaves out the omnipotence of the god you follow. Would god have given baby Jesus to a mother that would have considered abortion? Would he have left it to the people with whom he places so little trust, after divinely creating them? After all, they had a number of destitue mouths to feed before baby Jesus came along. And why would anyone leave religion out of it? That is the basis for so much of this bullshit. If a consensus was reached before I started posting again, then by all means honour it. But, religion is a crutch. I have heard that sarcasm is the hiding place of a weak mind....but I think the people being made fun of were the ones who coined the phrase. Something similar can be said of the overly religious. The needlessly religious.
Could have cured AIDS? AIDS can't be cured...it is the will of the same overly fanatical god that you follow...to wipe out homosexuals. Great ART? The greatest art is the creation of a new life in the name of "G"od. Detectives? Why leave it up to humans to figure out whodunit, when the ultimate destiny of the human race is in the hands of an all knowing god? Given the semantics of the arguments that have come before, one must wonder why such hypocrisy is considered legitimate by the opposition to free will. Ouch, where have we heard that before?
If you disagree with my interpretation of the issues you yourself raised, then speak as loudly against those you consider your breathren when they open their faces to speak out of place. Goals are one thing, but righteousness is another. You can not simply take what you like from an issue because it serves the same ends you do and then blame such opportunism on religious righteousness. If you speak towards teh illegitimacy of homosexuals or abortion in one respect, then stand up for it when it is corupted (as an issue) in another. That is when you reveal hypocrisy. Your blind tolerance of those who directly oppose your point of view is sinful when one considers why you tolerate it!
And that tolerance is called into question when one adheres so strictly to one aspect of the biblical rules, so flaunted by the overly religious, while others are so easily dismissed. It is hypocrisy...plain and simple. If the bible is to be interpreted literally, then you are not following the word of god in sooo many aspects of your daily life. My only conclusion is that so many like you blindly follow the people who have manuvered themselves into positions of authority on god, rathter than listening to the words of god himself. As such, you merrit, nor deserve, any legitimate consideration.
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
They both involve optimistic outcomes.
Again, the football team was not given some random chance. The team earned the right to play through past performance. Success and failure for the team will be determined by factors such as effort. This is very different from a fetus. Comparing the two is senseless.
Basing a view of abortion on potentialities is just ,like I already said, a desperate attempt to validate an invalid position.
If you argue my accusations, which I assume you will, then answer these questions:
What do you do for a living?
With whom do you sleep and on what days wold you consider sleeping with her?
What do you eat on a daily basis, and on what days do you consider it a sin to consume such things?
How many slaves do you own or have killed recently?
When was the last time you killed someone whom you thought was trying to take your land away?
Etc, etc, etc....
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Why not?
You can't base a sound argument on what "could" be. It's a slippery slope argument - Saying that one of the babies aborted could end up curing some horrific disease.
It's also a bad argument because, as AC pointed out, that same logic pretty much destroys itself. Would you consider "Let's abort all babies because they may be murderers" a sound reason to abort every pregnancy? The reasoning is simply broken and self defeating.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
If you argue my accusations, which I assume you will, then answer these questions:What do you do for a living?
With whom do you sleep and on what days wold you consider sleeping with her?
What do you eat on a daily basis, and on what days do you consider it a sin to consume such things?
How many slaves do you own or have killed recently?
When was the last time you killed someone whom you thought was trying to take your land away?
Etc, etc, etc....
What are you trying to prove?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
*Falls over*Can someone give me a hand with all this irony? Can't handle it alone.
-AC
How about this:
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Children will live, people will be more responsible, and not have to worry about depression, suicide, infection, breast cancer, or death due to abortion. 🙂
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Nikka, please.......Babies are a clean slate who can go either way--good or bad.
"The glass is half full, not half empty."
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
They do realize that there coulda been bad people, but prefer an optimistic approach.
and on and on...