I'm not an abortion expert, but just trying to use some common sense here. The whole argument about whether or not the baby is alive and what people for and against abortion believe seems silly...surely with the techological advances in ultrasounds, etc. there is a way to know whether it's alive or not. It seems like it should be a yes or no answer.
Kind of like whoever's reading this, are you alive or are you dead? Besides someone who's sharing a rubber room with Jackie Malfoy, everyone should be able to answer that question for yourself.
Originally posted by botankus
I'm not an abortion expert, but just trying to use some common sense here. The whole argument about whether or not the baby is alive and what people for and against abortion believe seems silly...surely with the techological advances in ultrasounds, etc. there is a way to know whether it's alive or not. It seems like it should be a yes or no answer.
It's not whether the baby's alive or dead, but whether the mother has the right to 'kill' the foetus growing within her, aka 'abortion'. Pro-choice, or pro-life.
shaber, why would I practice infanticide? I was basically asking why Ush stated that everyone believes in pro-life.
Originally posted by Syren
It's not whether the baby's alive or dead, but whether the mother has the right to 'kill' the foetus growing within her, aka 'abortion'. Pro-choice, or pro-life.
Originally posted by Syren
I was basically asking why Ush stated that everyone believes in pro-life.
I was too. Alas, no answer yet.
It seemed that he was stating that everyone is pro-life just because at some point they might say "I don't think you should have an abortion past this point." Which isn't pro-life at all, in the sense of the belief.
-AC
Still this??
Yes, a foetus is alive. However it is not independent of the woman's body. Take a foetus out and it will die. As long as it is part of the woman's body and said body belong to the woman, not to the state, it is the woman's decision what happens to her OWN body.
I applaud the belief in the sanctity of life... to a certain extent. This obsession with "unborn babies" (as if a foetus is a conscious mini-baby), this crusade against women's liberty (and also men's who btw should have the right to claim an abortion if they won't want to be fathers, or else have the right to write off their claim of a baby) is taking us back to the middle-ages, where btw. abortion was practiced as well.
There are too many poor single-mothers, who can hardly make ends meet. In a better world, without poverty, there should be room for all babies. Look at violence and abuse against children ALREADY BORN, mr. and mrs. anti-abortion (=anti-womens freedom) and direct your energies there, please.
As the world is looking right now, we do not NEED anymore UNWANTED babies born into poverty, social chaos and with a good chance of never having a chance of a good life.
This idea, that LIFE is an ABSOLUTE GOOD THING amazes me. If it was, why then, do some people try to commit suicide? Why drug- and alcohol-abuse?
I think we'd be better of, if all the energy and time spent by anti-abortionists (=anti-womens freedom) were used to help kids who are ALREADY here and living miserable lives. Some of them THANKS to you, mr. and mrs. anti-abortion.
A child should be wanted, and welcomed to life, by loving, caring parents. No, don't give me the adoption-story. Mothers are chemically bonded to their new-borns, plain brain-chemistry.
I see no reason, no reason at all, why a woman should be sentenced to nine months of pregnancy if she does not WANT to. Poor mothers are not breeding machines for couples out to adopt!!!!
I see no reason why she should go through hormone-hell for nine months, and the hormone-trauma of giving away her baby.
Is it Utah who's even forbidden abortion in the case of rape????
Why on EARTH does that state hate women so much, they must suffer for nine months, while the seed of their rapist grows inside of them????????
It's completely beyond my reasoning.
UTTERLY!
Originally posted by The Omega
Still this??Yes, a foetus is alive. However it is not independent of the woman's body. Take a foetus out and it will die. As long as it is part of the woman's body and said body belong to the woman, not to the state, it is the woman's decision what happens to her OWN body.
I applaud the belief in the sanctity of life... to a certain extent. This obsession with "unborn babies" (as if a foetus is a conscious mini-baby), this crusade against women's liberty (and also men's who btw should have the right to claim an abortion if they won't want to be fathers, or else have the right to write off their claim of a baby) is taking us back to the middle-ages, where btw. abortion was practiced as well.There are too many poor single-mothers, who can hardly make ends meet. In a better world, without poverty, there should be room for all babies. Look at violence and abuse against children ALREADY BORN, mr. and mrs. anti-abortion (=anti-womens freedom) and direct your energies there, please.
As the world is looking right now, we do not NEED anymore UNWANTED babies born into poverty, social chaos and with a good chance of never having a chance of a good life.
This idea, that LIFE is an ABSOLUTE GOOD THING amazes me. If it was, why then, do some people try to commit suicide? Why drug- and alcohol-abuse?I think we'd be better of, if all the energy and time spent by anti-abortionists (=anti-womens freedom) were used to help kids who are ALREADY here and living miserable lives. Some of them THANKS to you, mr. and mrs. anti-abortion.
A child should be wanted, and welcomed to life, by loving, caring parents. No, don't give me the adoption-story. Mothers are chemically bonded to their new-borns, plain brain-chemistry.
I see no reason, no reason at all, why a woman should be sentenced to nine months of pregnancy if she does not WANT to. Poor mothers are not breeding machines for couples out to adopt!!!!
I see no reason why she should go through hormone-hell for nine months, and the hormone-trauma of giving away her baby.Is it Utah who's even forbidden abortion in the case of rape????
Why on EARTH does that state hate women so much, they must suffer for nine months, while the seed of their rapist grows inside of them????????
It's completely beyond my reasoning.
UTTERLY!
No offense Omega, but you're one cold *****.
Kill all of the babies, because no one will want them if they're born, and they'll use up to much energy/resources if they are born..is that your point? Or do you even have one?
Oh well, at least society knows that there's one less person to take care of when they've become old, and feeble..and dependant upon another to sustain their life.
fin
Originally posted by whobdamandog
No offense Omega, but you're one cold *****.Kill all of the babies, because no one will want them if they're born, and they'll use up to much energy/resources if they are born..is that your point? Or do you even have one?
Oh well, at least society knows that there's one less person to take care of when they've become old, and feeble..and dependant upon another to sustain their life.
fin
Stop saying fin, it's not fin is it? You "fin" yourself by opening your post with calling someone a cold b*tch just because she's not pro-life and religious. Furthermore, the point of having threads is so the posts are read:
"A child should be wanted, and welcomed to life, by loving, caring parents. No, don't give me the adoption-story. Mothers are chemically bonded to their new-borns, plain brain-chemistry.
I see no reason, no reason at all, why a woman should be sentenced to nine months of pregnancy if she does not WANT to. Poor mothers are not breeding machines for couples out to adopt!!!!
I see no reason why she should go through hormone-hell for nine months, and the hormone-trauma of giving away her baby."
The Omega said this. I suggest you read before you go opening your trap about how she's a cold b*tch. The irony of it is that she does care, she just cares for the right people.
What was your point? Or do you even have one? Don't bring your religion in here, this thread is no place for it. Save it for the homosexuality threads.
No offence, Whob. You're stupid.
-AC
Originally posted by Syren
Just a query, are you saying that everyone believes that once the foetus is alive, the woman no longer has a choice? Because I don't believe that. I may have read you wrong, however 😕
Here's what the gist of it is: at a certain point, the foetus becomes human. Life is a very broad term, as said before (cheese is alive, hair is alive, etc.), so the point where the foetus can be proven to be, without any argument, human is when abortion cannot be allowed. If the foetus at that point is aborted, that foetus, being considered to be human, is killed. Killing a person is wrong.
Originally posted by crazylozer
Here's what the gist of it is: at a certain point, the foetus becomes human. Life is a very broad term, as said before (cheese is alive, hair is alive, etc.), so the point where the foetus can be proven to be, without any argument, human is when abortion cannot be allowed. If the foetus at that point is aborted, that foetus, being considered to be human, is killed. Killing a person is wrong.
But surely the foetus is alive, or human, right from the start, in that case? Wait, I'm assuming you're pro-life? Because I'm pro-choice. My point, however, was whether Ush said everyone believes in pro-life. That's a broad generalisation, which is why I thought I may have read him wrong and was waiting for someone to clarify that fact 😬
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"[b]The Omega said this. I suggest you read before you go opening your trap about how she's a cold b*tch. The irony of it is that she does care, she just cares for the right people.-AC
So now you or her has the right to decide who are the "right people" to care about?
Any "people" (you called the fetus a person, haha) should be cared for you dolt, ...... anything else is a prejudice.
And for Omega, those poor, helpless poverty stricken women would avoid the whole problem by not taking cock whenever they want to escape their dreary lives.
Anti abortion=anti womans rights?
Pro-abortion=pro-genocide.
which is the lesser of 2 evils?