hhmm...I dont know what kind of answer Ill give to that question since I have witnessed an abortion from my mother (suppossed to be my fourth sibling but since my mom doesnt want to have any more kids, she just pulled the plug) and witnesed some instances where death can only be a saving grace fom some poeple...
but that doesnt mean that I support "ethical killings" of feotuses,criminals,comatose patients etc. I rather have a more "reserved" view amongst those things in a way that I feel that killing others is wrong and at the same time trying to understand the consequence or the reason behind those things...
doesnt make sense huh? sorry, morning here and im just about to take my coffee when I see ABORTION as a topic in here...makes me confused and brings back "pleasing" memories back to me....hehe...
Originally posted by Grimm22
Sure its "lawful" but then again the nazi death camps were "lawful", the torture chambers in the Soveit Union were "lawful"Murder is above the laws of man and is answered to a higher power
I would say there is a fundamental difference - abortion is legally NOT murder due to reasons of medicine and definition. The period in which an abortion is carried out is the period in which that which is aborted is not considered a human being.
A Nazi death camp being legal is different, as is a Soviet torture chamber - these violate basic legal tenants regarding human rights, abortion however does not, only being seen to break, usually, religious codes or perceived moral ones.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Sure its "lawful" but then again the nazi death camps were "lawful", the torture chambers in the Soveit Union were "lawful"Murder is above the laws of man and is answered to a higher power
What a stupid thing to say.
Murder isn't above the laws of man because without man, the term murder would not exist. That's all murder is, a legal term created by man so as courts could punish people accordingly, depending on the kind of crime they committed.
Second, you are right. If concentration camps were legal, then they obviously weren't murder were they? Killing doesn't equal murder, killing is an act no different to walking or talking. You kill bacteria when you clean a floor. It's WHAT you kill, how and why, that makes it murder, manslaughter or anything else. Abortion is not applicable, or connected, to murder. End this here, please.
Before you retort with "No, but I think...", save it. You have this much say: 0%. That much.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Abortion is when a woman dosent take responsibility for her own actions and decides to kill her own child for her own selfish reasons and shows little to no remorse whatsoever.
No, abortion is the act of terminating a foetus before birth. Reasons don't matter, abortion is abortion. You have no say in what abortion is or isn't.
That's like saying driving is only driving if you have somewhere to go. No, it's not. As soon as you operate and engage in travelling whilst in control of a car, you are driving. Just like abortion is abortion, no matter what.
I'll be back in a hundred pages time to straighten out another one of you lot.
-AC
Originally posted by Nellinator
If it has a soul don't kill it. If you don't know if it has a soul, don't kill it. If you don't believe in souls, suicide is a good thing too then.
Whether or not the soul exists is entirely irrelevant. Life is Life, and Sentient Intelligence Life is the worst thing to kill due to the fact that the life is self aware and recognizes the pain and the negativity of thier own death.
You cannot RATE something's life simply on whether or not they have a "soul." A soul may not even exist. THEN WHAT? That means killing spree orgy for everyone??? Umm...No. You don't need a SOUL to justify being alive.
A Foetus does not qualify as an intelligent life, but does as sentient one, due to the fact that it is a pre-human being. Notice I say pre human being, due to the fact that although it is not a "being" by numerous definitions, it is STILL HUMAN.
I see the possible immorality of Abortion only apparent in the fact that 1) The Foetus IS a living thing, 2) And not just any living thing. IT is a human life still, and will BECOME a full human being.
However, Abortion is not equal to Murder or Torture. Murder is the killing of a live human being, one who already has an identity, can feel pain, is self aware, knows they are dying, etc. Torture can only exist on a life that feels pain....a Foetus only feels pain after the 5th month, so an Abortion before hand does not quality as Torture.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I would say there is a fundamental difference - abortion is legally NOT murder due to reasons of medicine and definition. The period in which an abortion is carried out is the period in which that which is aborted is not considered a human being.A Nazi death camp being legal is different, as is a Soviet torture chamber - these violate basic legal tenants regarding human rights, abortion however does not, only being seen to break, usually, religious codes or perceived moral ones.
Actually abortion is against human rights of life and the pursuit of liberty and happiness 😐
Roe v. Wade was the first decline of modern society
This movie I'm about to post is extremely sad... it completely convinced me how cruel abortions are...
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
A [b]Foetus does not qualify as an intelligent life, but does as sentient one, due to the fact that it is a pre-human being. Notice I say pre human being, due to the fact that although it is not a "being" by numerous definitions, it is STILL HUMAN.I see the possible immorality of Abortion only apparent in the fact that 1) The Foetus IS a living thing, 2) And not just any living thing. IT is a human life still, and will BECOME a full human being.. [/B]
Then stop wacking off to keep from killing sentient living sperm cells.
I'd like to ask a hypothetical question to all here.
Say that abortion was made illegal. It was then considered to be the legal equivalent of murder.
What would happen in the case of spontaneous abortions (miscarriages)? Would the woman be charged with manslaughter? If you consider it to be a life, she killed a person by accident...pretty illogical if you ask me.
Originally posted by crazylozer
I'd like to ask a hypothetical question to all here.Say that abortion was made illegal. It was then considered to be the legal equivalent of murder.
What would happen in the case of spontaneous abortions (miscarriages)? Would the woman be charged with manslaughter? If you consider it to be a life, she killed a person by accident...pretty illogical if you ask me.
Um there is a huge difference between an miscarrige and an abortion 😐
Abortion are selfish acts of murder that happen when people would rather take the life of an innocent child than live up to their responsibilitys.
Miscarriges are when the body rejects a pregnency
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I'm pretty sure that the foetus is not in pursuit of liberty and happiness. I'm pretty sure it cares nothing of its own existence because it is not aware of its own existence.
Those are distinct human rights.
To denie them is against the geneva convention and just about any law.
It is straight up murder
Originally posted by Grimm22
Those are distinct human rights.
Distinct human rights that are only distinct to the understanding of a human BEING. Not a FOETUS.
Originally posted by Grimm22
To denie them is against the geneva convention and just about any law.It is straight up murder
The foetus' status is beyond your understanding. So please, stop labeling words like 'murder' and 'rights' with abortion.
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Distinct human rights that are only distinct to the understanding of a human BEING. Not a FOETUS.The foetus' status is beyond your understanding. So please, stop labeling words like 'murder' and 'rights' with abortion.
People saying the feutus isnt alive is just them trying to justify the murder of children 😒