Abortion

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Unsupported rhetoric. The Journal of the American Medical Association, British Medical Journal, and Brain Research Reviews; disagree. Nociception in the fetus is inconclusive but review of current evidence does not indicate a developed perception of pain.

Okay. Then I'm most likely wrong.

As long as the Foetus doesn't feel it, then I have no problem. Otherwise, I think it's too cruel to be taken lightly.

Hopefully, I am wrong, and no innocent life had to be tortured for our convienence. I am all for Liberalism, trust me, but not at the expense of someone's pain.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know. Not an independent human being is it? I've never, ever heard it being classed as murder.

Either way, that's not the issue, if it was...all the more reason for abortion.

-AC

I don't want to argue about the term murder...I jsut found it rather unsettling that you would not object toa newborn baby being killed.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ah..so you don't know.

hi there, i'd like to introduce you to logic. i dont think you two have ever met before: i never said that i did know:

Originally posted by PVS
the presense of nerves does not mean that pain is felt. the presence of a conscious mind which recieves pain impulses would then imply torture. you are just a master of illogical leaps, huh?

so dont resort to putting words in my mouth, mmmmkay?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Well...if the child breathes, kicks, sucks its thumb....then I greatly assume it has a concious mind of some sort.

i would assume that its brain's ability to send out primal and instinctive impulses is functional. i would not assume it to be conscious. now, lets examine this and save some time, ok Captain Kneejerk? i didnt say that a fetus at this stage does not have a conscience, just that it cant be assumed that it does (or doesnt).

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If it has fully developed nerves...then I greatly assume it feels pain. 🙂

then you made a poor leap in logic. i bet you're really fun to go to a casino with, with all the leaps and blind chances you take, but in a debate you are mindnumbing.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wanna shove any more bullsh*t objection into this mix ?

que?

Originally posted by PVS
hi there, i'd like to introduce you to logic. i dont think you two have ever met before: [b]i never said that i did know:[/B]

Yet you argue as if you truly know....with such conviction in your argument, it is hard to decipher what you are stating as opinion and fact.

Originally posted by PVS
so dont resort to putting words in my mouth, mmmmkay?

Can I put my **** in your mouth ? droolio

Originally posted by PVS
i would assume that its brain's ability to send out primal and instinctive impulses is functional. i would not assume it to be conscious. now, lets examine this and save some time, ok Captain Kneejerk? i didnt say that a fetus at this stage does not have a conscience, just that it cant be assumed that it does (or doesnt).

Sucking your thumb is not an impulse....it is a rather voluntary action. That would pretty much discredit most hypothesis that the foetus is not concious....

Originally posted by PVS
then you made a poor leap in logic. i bet you're really fun to go to a casino with, with all the leaps and blind chances you take, but in a debate you are mindnumbing.

I'm also fun in bed , and under your desk...droolio

Originally posted by PVS
que?

Tu sabes que estoy diciendo. No me habla asi .... 🙂

Central nervous system activity related to alertness/wakefulness is suppressed by endogenous inhibitory neuropeptides, neurotransmitters and hormones. The fetus is kept asleep and unconscious due to these and other factors such as low oxygen tension and warmth of the fetal environment.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Central nervous system activity related to alertness/wakefulness is suppressed by endogenous inhibitory neuropeptides, neurotransmitters and hormones. The fetus is kept asleep and unconscious due to these and other factors such as low oxygen tension and warmth of the fetal environment.

do you think by any chance the feotus can get shocked into conciousness by being cut up or burnt alive by salt solution ?

Being asleep doesn't render you comatose.

so you refuse to stop putting words in my mouth?

you wish to continue lying for the win? how pathetic.

and thumb sucking (concerning infants) is both voluntary and involuntary.
i guess you would have to research to know that instead of forcing us to sit
through another session of "fun facts pulled freshly from urizen's rectum"

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
do you think by any chance the feotus can get shocked into conciousness by being cut up or burnt alive by salt solution ?

Being asleep doesn't render you comatose.

Originally posted by PVS
so you refuse to stop putting words in my mouth?

Like I said....I am much happier putting my **** in your mouth. droolio

Originally posted by PVS
you wish to continue lying for the win?

What lie did I say ?

Originally posted by PVS
and thumb sucking (concerning infants) is both voluntary and involuntary. i guess you would have to research to know that instead of forcing us to sit through another session of "fun facts pulled freshly from urizen's rectum"

My rectum works wondors bro...many a gay lover has told me so 😉

Regardless, thier is a large chance the foetus may be concious and feel pain when undergoing an Abortion at a certain trimester.

Just to be on the safe side, I would rather Abortions be done earlier than later.

Question: Do you imagine that pain is felt by the child in Partial Birth Abortions ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

Can I put my **** in your mouth ? droolio

I'm also fun in bed , and under your desk...droolio

Tu sabes que estoy diciendo. No me habla asi .... 🙂

ooh good arguments

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In stress situations the endogenous anesthestic CNS suppressors are significantly increased.

Meaning the foetus won't feel anything....is that like a defense mechanism ?

Originally posted by Rapscallion
ooh good arguments

What do you think I practice for ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Question: Do you imagine that pain is felt by the child in Partial Birth Abortions ?

thats just it urizen, i dont imagine. if you want to stop annoying everyone, maybe you should stop imagining and start researching/deducting with proper logic.

my answer to your question: i dont know whether or not they feel pain

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Meaning the foetus won't feel anything....is that like a defense mechanism ?

Originally posted by PVS
thats just it urizen, i dont imagine. if you want to stop annoying everyone, maybe you should stop imagining and start reserching.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spurious leading question with connotations that this is an actively initiated process.

Interesting....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
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i already answered [edited-scroll up]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Interesting....

Your knowledge of the physiological processes you're trying to attribute to the fetus is minimal.

Your question is moot considering the vast majority of legal abortions occur in a period where review of current evidence indicates that perception of pain has not developed.

Your attempt to connote a reactive physiological mechanism, something as akin to heart rate increasing when running, to an actively initiated process due to conscious thought or activity is transparent.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not really.

Your knowledge of the physiological processes you're trying to attribute to the fetus is minimal.

Your question is moot considering the vast majority of legal abortions occur in a period where review of current evidence indicates that perception of pain has not developed.

Your attempt to connote a reactive physiological mechanism, something as akin to heart rate increasing when running, to an actively initiated process due to conscious thought or activity is transparent.

Interesting....

yeah, good job urizen. lets take the whob approach to winning teh thread. ignore any points which factually shoot yours down.
when you are done disregarding every truth, dont forget to post some 'pwned' pics and declare yourself victorious. and smilies....lots and lots of smilies