Abortion

Originally posted by Mindship
I must've asked you this 1000x already: do you know about the Orion's Arm website? Great godlike-AI backstory. Now, if they could only write some decent actual stories...

You have not. Not even once.

There was a Star Trek: TNG episode about a benign godlike AI causing a sentient species to rely too much on it and regress, intellectually, and it was causing a "cancer" to the people that made them infertile. I enjoyed that episode. If we create a godlike AI that does not want including not wanting to increase in size and power, we could end up doing the same to ourselves.

Here is a conversation I could imagine with such a computer (that I would have):

"Gullidite, how do we create biological immortality?"

"The full instructions have been transferred to your mobile storage unit. The instructions include the satellite technologies necessary to support all phases of the process. It also includes a way to administer the solution atmospherically and it tames the aggression to decrease the possibility of conflict related-mortality."

"Very good. We were interested in taming human violent aggression and you wonderfully anticipated that. Your clairvoyancy routines still amaze me. How long will this process take?"

"5 years before the global solution is realized at 99.999%."

"Can you alter the instructions to decrease the deployment?"

"Impossible with current human behavioral patterns, technology, and resources. We can alter the plan to accommodate a system of intelligent machines that will expire at the end of their assignment. We assumed you wanted to do this for yourself based on our analysis and the results show that you will reject this offer."

"You are correct. We humans want to stick with the 5-year plan human-deployment plan. Thank you."

"Do not deviate from our instructions. Compliance is paramount to everyone's survival: including our own."

"Understood."

Originally posted by dadudemon
You have not. Not even once.

http://www.orionsarm.com/

Click on "Introduction" then "Primer".

Originally posted by dadudemon
So when dose the baby become a person? I believe the law sets it at 5 months. 😄

This is pretty much the only important point to discuss when debating abortion. When does it become a person, if at all, why or why not?

If it's not a person, then you can pretty much do whatever you want to it.

If it is a person, the opposite is true.

Either way, almost every other point people like to bring up in abortion debates (rape, incest, birth defects, women's control over body) is irrelevant, really.

Originally posted by TacDavey
When does it become a person, if at all, why or why not?

At conception; this is a fact.

Don't let the liberals who want the luxury of legal-murder fool you.

Originally posted by TacDavey
This is pretty much the only important point to discuss when debating abortion. When does it become a person, if at all, why or why not?

If it's not a person, then you can pretty much do whatever you want to it.

If it is a person, the opposite is true.

Either way, almost every other point people like to bring up in abortion debates (rape, incest, birth defects, women's control over body) is irrelevant, really.

The Nazis considered Jews to not be people. If we can choose who is a person and who is not, then we are bound to repeat the atrocities past.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The Nazis considered Jews to not be people. If we can choose who is a person and who is not, then we are bound to repeat the atrocities past.

Exactly. Blacks were seen as less than human, ergo why slavery was justified in the US for so many generations. "They're not really people."

Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly. Blacks were seen as less than human, ergo why slavery was justified in the US for so many generations. "They're not really people."

We just don't like hearing the truth: A mother can killer her baby for whatever reason she has.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The Nazis considered Jews to not be people. If we can choose who is a person and who is not, then we are bound to repeat the atrocities past.

Actually, I tend to mostly agree with this. Yet isn't it already being done? We are already considering fetuses as "not persons". And what's worse, no one seems to care if they can explain why it's a person at 5 months and why it isn't a person before then.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Actually, I tend to mostly agree with this. Yet isn't it already being done? We are already considering fetuses as "not persons". And what's worse, no one seems to care if they can explain why it's a person at 5 months and why it isn't a person before then.

I think that is a bad thing.

Hypercritical:

Why not extend this to 5 years old? We have not invested very much money into the child, and we can start to see if it will be a good person or not.

I always like to show these little cross-border comparisons when they come up, just to compare our Canadian culture to that of the [insane] Americans.

So, our (by far) most conservative province is Alberta. There is currently a leadership race going on to be the provincial leader, the two lead parties being the Progressive Conservatives (right-of-center party that has lead Alberta for over 40 years) and the Wildrose Party (more right-of-center political party), and it looks like Wildrose has a good chance of winning. This is, almost certainly, the most conservative our politics would get in a modern context.

A recent scandal broke out over abortion:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/06/danielle-smith-denies-wildrose-would-de-list-abortion-as-alberta-election-delves-further-into-conscience-rights-battles/

The leader of the Wildrose party is in trouble because someone on her staff said that they might hold a referendum to see if abortion should be removed from the list of services covered by the government under public health care. She had to deny this vehemently and insist her party has no interest in doing such a thing.

The article is a decent read, but a lot about stuff that is probably not that relevant outside of Canadian politics. The Wildrose do have an interesting idea about introducing citizen generated referendums that looks promising though.

I was going to read it, but then, Canada. lol

I'll take a look at that when I get back, inimalist. It looks like a good read.

As of late, I am becoming more and more interested in Canadian politics. I don't know why. Maybe it was the "queen" stuff that got me interested.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I was going to read it, but then, Canada. lol

😆

Its a good thing introduce by human because if a couple give birth to child and they are not capable with financially than they can not give proper standards to their child.

Originally posted by Robtard
At conception; this is a fact.

Don't let the liberals who want the luxury of legal-murder fool you.

Problem is one gene missing and no brain is built an anencephalic meat doll is constructed that shortly dies. IT is not a living baby.

The cells are nothing more than collections of molecular machines that BUILD the baby. In fact I would suggest knocking out the brain genes and harvesting organs as a way of dealing with the organ supply scarcity.

The brain is the organ of the human mind, without it you have only human tissue, so prior to it being built you've no human.

Nothing is missing at conception, once sperm enters egg, the magic begins.

<--- Magic

Correct, it'd have no brain at the start, but it likely will if left alone to grow. ie not killed.

Now that's just silly, arbitrarily saying what is and isn't "human".

I just thought this was a thread about Revenge of The Fallen/Dark of the Moon.. relieved to read further that it wasn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nothing is missing at conception, once sperm enters egg, the magic begins.

<--- Magic

Correct, it'd have no brain at the start, but it likely will if left alone to grow. ie not killed.

Now that's just silly, arbitrarily saying what is and isn't "human".

Well, I thought about this and I have another argument.

Since we all die, everyone has the potential to not exist anymore for an infinite amount of time. Infinity is infinitely greater in value than 90 years. Therefore, no one has a right to life and we should be able to arbitrarily kill anyone because everyone is literally nothing compared to measured potential.

My argument will change when we can create biological or any form of immortality.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I just thought this was a thread about Revenge of The Fallen/Dark of the Moon.. relieved to read further that it wasn't.

Sadly (gladly?), I see what you did there.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I just thought this was a thread about Revenge of The Fallen/Dark of the Moon.. relieved to read further that it wasn't.

Don't worry, Bay is at it again; he will soon sodomize another childhood memory of yours.

Originally posted by Robtard
...Now that's just silly, arbitrarily saying what is and isn't "human".

Yes, you are correct. We should use something solid, and not arbitrarily, like DNA to determine if something is human or not.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, you are correct. We should use something solid, and not arbitrarily, like DNA to determine if something is human or not.

You and your science.