Guy plans suicide out of fear of being "canceled"

Originally posted by Jmanghan
We don't necessarily know how old cameron was at the time. I think even 17 year olds are legally allowed to **** 12 year olds in most states yeah? Of course I'm not saying that's right, not at all, but even if that were the case he wouldn't be breaking the law.

And if we're talking 17 and 14 or something then that's not even really an issue, that's more down to people's personal gripes with age gaps.

I really don't think he was an adult when he propositioned the dude, I couldn't prove it but it's worded in a way that he was a teen.

Minors are only legally permitted to have sex with other minors who are within two years of their own age.

Originally posted by StyleTime

Many states are updating their laws to include provisions for minors, although change is slow.

Prosecutors don't always choose to prosecute either, which makes this muddy.

Forgot to include link. It was just a somewhat public case where minors weren't charged. The one charged as an adult (17 can be charged as an adult in his state) was able to get out of it, fortunately.

I think these rules definitely need revising. Just seems weird cops are so ready to rummage through explicit images from teens. Oh, right...

...The cops themselves are often using these cases to satisfy their own desire for child porn, like ol' Detective Abbott. He was the lead investigator in a teen sexting case, who unlawfully tried to coerce the accused teen to masturbate to "match" his penis to the penis in a sexted photo.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/teen-sexting-case-revealed-how-judges-let-police-invade-children-ncna830306

Abbot was later found sexting and soliciting sex from a 13 and 14 year old too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/manassas-city-police-detective-in-teen-sexting-case-commits-suicide/2015/12/15/de88f7c4-a356-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html

Excellent police work. 👆

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm not sure people are understanding, this wasn't some recent thing, it's stated to be something that happened a long time ago, likely 10+ years or more. And if that is the case... I ask, what the hell do we do? Lock him up for something really stupid he did as a kid? If he had actually gone through with it I'd understand.

The statute of limitations vary by state, but if the victim did not report the incident before the age of 21, it is not likely to be prosecuted.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It's also a crime to have nudes of yourself when you are under 18 and you can be charged with it, which I think is a little odd. I understand why they do it though, to protect kids as kids do very dumb things with nude photos that adults are very unlikely to do.

Honestly if you're old enough to have sex in person you should be old enough to send dick pics though lol.

It is not odd. Either the material is illegal or it is not. It is not okay for some people to produce and distribute it and not others.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Minors are only legally permitted to have sex with other minors who are within two years of their own age.

That said, the legality seems irrelevant? They were both kids and the sex didn't actually occur. The other boy was younger, so maybe Cameron has good reason to regret offering a bj or whatever, but it hardly seems criminal.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is not odd. Either the material is illegal or it is not. It is not okay for some people to produce and distribute it and not others.

AFAIK it does vary from state to state, but generally the minors have to at least be of the age of consent for their state and then there's still differences from state to state.

eg TX has a "Romero and Juliet" law exception where consent is reached as long as the child is at least age 14 and there isn't more than a three year difference. So in Texas a 15yo can have sex with an 18yo and it's legal. F**kin Texas, amirite.

California has no exceptions aside from if both parties involved are less than three years apart the penalty is less severe. So 16yo with an 18yo, it's a crime, but a 15yo with an 18yo is a severe crime.

Originally posted by Smurph
I thought it varies state by state. The author is from Michigan, but we don't know where or when the incident happened.

That said, the legality seems irrelevant? They were both kids and the sex didn't actually occur. The other boy was younger, so maybe Cameron has good reason to regret offering a bj or whatever, but it hardly seems criminal.

Attempted crimes are still crimes. But the statute of limitations in Michigan is two years from the date of the incident, which means this would not be prosecutable anyway.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm saying in the case of someone sending their own nudes, I'm pretty sure at least a few people here have sent nudes when they were teens.

That is totally irrelevant. It is either illegal to record a sexual performance of a minor or it is not. If people took or sent nudes as teenagers, then they should thank their lucky stars every day that they did not get prosecuted for making and distributing child porn.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Attempted crimes are still crimes.

If the facts were different and there was some sort of assault, then maybe you have a case, but... this sounds more like one youth proposing something that he didn't understand the consequences of. Hence, "minors".

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
But the statute of limitations in Michigan is two years from the date of the incident, which means this would not be prosecutable anyway.

Otoh, obviously kids can (and do, all the time) commit crimes without understanding all the consequences. And I dunno the particulars of the law here. It's just my gut reaction to reading the story that this isn't a criminal regretting criminal conduct; it's just a guy obsessively worried about a ****ed up thing he said when he was a kid.

Originally posted by Smurph
While that is a general truth, I would not be confident that it applies here. Establishing an attempted crime usually requires proving criminal intent which I imagine would be a challenge for a juvenile sexual offence. If I'm the prosecutor, how do I prove that a juvenile intended to commit a sexual offence given the body of law that says that juveniles can't mentally form the consent to have sex? It's a bit of a catch-22.

If the facts were different and there was some sort of assault, then maybe you have a case, but... this sounds more like one youth proposing something that he didn't understand the consequences of. Hence, "minors".

By your reasoning, a 17-year-old would not be responsible for propositioning a 2-year-old, because they are both minors. Fortunately, that is not how the law works.

Originally posted by Smurph
No. Two years is the limitation on civil suits, not criminal prosecutions.

Wrong. Michigan has a statute of limitations for sex crimes. The only exception is if the crime is reported, and the perpetrator is unkown, but there is DNA evidence. If all three of those conditions are met, then there is no statute of limitations. In all other instances, the crime must be reported within two years of the incident, or by the 21st birthday of the victim, whichever is later.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
By your reasoning, a 17-year-old would not be responsible for propositioning a 2-year-old, because they are both minors. Fortunately, that is not how the law works.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wrong. Michigan has a statute of limitations for sex crimes. The only exception is if the crime is reported, and the perpetrator is unkown, but there is DNA evidence. If all three of those conditions are met, then there is no statute of limitations. In all other instances, the crime must be reported within two years of the incident, or by the 21st birthday of the victim, whichever is later.

one of stringer's "smurfs" at last! bout time, really.

hey, tell discord gang that i said trump is going to jail 🙂

😂 you definitely have me confused with someone else. F*ck Trump.

pretty funny that you can post on KMC for 16 years and still get called a sock, lol

could be that I'm mistaken, but i doubt it

No, Bash Smurph is a very well known poster in the comics section, he has nothing to do with Stringer. Smurph is also socially pretty liberal.

oh alright then

apologies, smurph.

all good, I'm a stranger to the GDF

anyway, I think Adam and I are disagreeing on details and not the thrust of the thread. I'd happily concede the limitations issue if he has an actual source but a quick Google search says two years is not the relevant number here /shrug