Create a Marvel character to take down Superman

Originally posted by Astner
Not even close.

Superman might have the edge in physical strength, because the Silver Surfer hasn't really shown strength on Superman's level, then again when you have the Power Cosmic at your finger-tips you can rearrange reality without ever having to touch it.

But there are a plethora of ways for the Silver Surfer to defeat Superman. Turning him into salt, creating Kryptonite, blasting him with red stellar radiation, tearing the solar radiation out of his cells similarly to how he tore the Hulk's gamma-rays in The Increadible Hulk #250, etc.

Funny how that's not Cyborg Superman treated Surfer.

And it's not like like Superman can do much to someone who's barely fazed by Thor striking him in the face full-force with Mjolnir.

😂

Now consider what Superman did to Thor.

You may well make a case for that Superman would win against e.g. the Hulk, because Marvel superheroes aren't as well-rounded: Superman being significantly faster, able to fly, able to use Heat Vision, etc.

But when it comes to cosmic characters like the Silver Surfer the tables turn.

- Day of Judgement #1

This just in, Surfer is Spectre level now.

I think the issue she's getting at is the fact that there's no limitation to what characters you can and can't use.

You don't have to construct the weakest version able to beat Superman, nor are you limited by a particular tier (e.g. Heralds), so technically you could pull from the Beyonders, Celestials, and Abstracts.

Thor, Hulk and Hyperion all have feats that rival some of Superman's best. Which is one of the three main attributes Superman has going for him, the others being durability and speed.

Surfer don't, that's the point.

Originally posted by carver9
Green
Strong
Durable
Madder he gets stronger he gets

Originally posted by abhilegend
Frog man?

Surfer: "I command the power cosmic, blah, blah, blah"

Cyborg Superman : "***** please, is this the best you can do? “

Originally posted by Astner
No, but the big thing about the Silver Surfer is that he's a pacifist. Thor and Thanos are magic users and Thanos further has access to technology that shields him from cosmic threats.

But I could definitely see the Surfer turn Hulk into salt, just like Dormammu did. Tehnically he turned him into crystal, but the point remains.

- Defenders (2005) #2

Originally posted by Astner
He's transmuted things before.

- Silver Surfer (1987) #96

The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation.

Superman has obviously never survived or resisted transmutation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman survives magical attacks from disciple which not even diana and zauriel could survive

Weren't there twins who tried to -precisely as being said here - turn Superman into salt?

Yeah, action comics 815-816 I think

I specifically said you can only choose one character for each attribute.

So if you only pick Surfer, then your character just gets one of his attributes (his speed, or strength, or durability, etc.) The rest of the attributes would only be equal to that of an average human.

So there's pretty much no way your 1-attribute-only Surfer could win.

Originally posted by Astner
Not even close.

Superman might have the edge in physical strength, because the Silver Surfer hasn't really shown strength on Superman's level, then again when you have the Power Cosmic at your finger-tips you can rearrange reality without ever having to touch it.

But there are a plethora of ways for the Silver Surfer to defeat Superman. Turning him into salt, creating Kryptonite, blasting him with red stellar radiation, tearing the solar radiation out of his cells similarly to how he tore the Hulk's gamma-rays in The Increadible Hulk #250, etc.

And it's not like like Superman can do much to someone who's barely fazed by Thor striking him in the face full-force with Mjolnir.

You may well make a case for that Superman would win against e.g. the Hulk, because Marvel superheroes aren't as well-rounded: Superman being significantly faster, able to fly, able to use Heat Vision, etc.

But when it comes to cosmic characters like the Silver Surfer the tables turn.

- Day of Judgement #1

I think the issue she's getting at is the fact that there's no limitation to what characters you can and can't use.

You don't have to construct the weakest version able to beat Superman, nor are you limited by a particular tier (e.g. Heralds), so technically you could pull from the Beyonders, Celestials, and Abstracts.

Thor, Hulk and Hyperion all have feats that rival some of Superman's best. Which is one of the three main attributes Superman has going for him, the others being durability and speed.

I think you need to reread the OP. The thread isn't about a character having Surfer's power cosmic but separate attributes (strength, speed, durability, energy projection, stamina, and intelligence).

You can have all of that WITHOUT having Surfer's exotic powers (because that's not included).

Second, I disagree that Surfer can beat Superman at all.
Surfer can't turn Superman into salt. Superman has feats against MM.
Superman is far faster than Surfer in battle. Surfer wouldn't be able to land a strike if Superman didn't want him to. Superman can pop Surfer right away. You assume Superman would sit there and allow Surfer to whatever he desires. That's like taking a MA class where the teacher demonstrates moves that doesn't work in real life on slow motion opponents.

No one has feats to rival Superman's best. You need to read comics dude. Superman's feats are astronomically more than all those characters you named COMBINED.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I specifically said you can only choose one character for each attribute.

So if you only pick Surfer, then your character just gets one of his attributes (his speed, or strength, or durability, etc.) The rest of the attributes would only be equal to that of an average human.

So there's pretty much no way your 1-attribute-only Surfer could win.

What if my special attribute was 'wields the Power Cosmic'? Then my character could use it like how Radd - a normal Zenn-Lannian - became one of the top heralds in Marvel.

Then I stack the speed of Thor, the intelligence of Hulk etc on top....truly fearsome!

Strength - Walker
Speed - Sentry
Durability - Wrath
Stamina - Juggernaut
Energy Projection - Galactus
Intelligence - Blue Marvel
Special Power (anything that doesn't fall in the above categories) - Can I use the Starbrand?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength
Speed
Durability
Stamina
Energy Projection
Intelligence
Special Power (anything that doesn't fall in the above categories)

Strength WBH
Speed QS
Durability Classic Juggs
Stamina sentry
Energy projection Thanos
Intelligence Reed
Special power Xavier TP

Originally posted by h1a8
Strength WBH
Speed QS
Durability Classic Juggs
Stamina sentry
Energy projection Thanos
Intelligence Reed
Special power Xavier TP

Do you believe that your statement answers the question?

Strength - Guy Gardner
Speed - Guy Gardner
Durability - Guy Gardner
Stamina - Guy Gardner
Energy Projection - Guy Gardner
Intelligence - Guy Gardner
Special Power - Guy Gardner w/ GL ring

Create a Marvel character to take down Superman
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength Aunt May
Speed Aunt May
Durability Aunt May
Stamina Aunt May
Energy Projection golden Aunt May, but it isnt needed
Intelligence Aunt May having the knowledge to get adamantium katana that can "penetrate" superman
Special Power mystiques shapeshifting turning into lois then says "look at this katana dear" then proceeds to stab superman.

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer: "I command the power cosmic, blah, blah, blah"

Cyborg Superman : "***** please, is this the best you can do? “

Not sure if it’s a thing or not, but during Ron Lim’s time as artist for the Silver Surfer run way back in the 90’s, he seemed to have trouble against robotic opponents. Connecting the dots may not be the way to go with him. He seems to be stronger against organic life forms.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Weren't there twins who tried to -precisely as being said here - turn Superman into salt?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, action comics 815-816 I think

And Superman was weakened at the time, due to liquefied Kryptonite(weakened his powers, eventually he lost powers, and he was eventually artificially aged) and they repeatedly tried to turn him into salt but couldn't. Even with his powers occasionally not working(sometimes flight stopped for example). Even when they were holding hands (physical contact between them boosted their powers) it didn't work. For comparison, earlier when he first started getting weaker his durability was so low he had conventional 9 MM rounds go right through him, was easily stabbed and almost drowned. But still was too durable for them to transmute him.

Superman has other examples too than that and what Abhi showed. It looks like Astner is just channeling mid 2008's KMC and thinking Surfer being Surfer means he wins however he wants.

Originally posted by ODG
Strength - Guy Gardner
Speed - Guy Gardner
Durability - Guy Gardner
Stamina - Guy Gardner
Energy Projection - Guy Gardner
Intelligence - Guy Gardner
Special Power - Guy Gardner w/ GL ring

This.

Originally posted by 8swords
Create a Marvel character to take down Superman
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength Aunt May
Speed Aunt May
Durability Aunt May
Stamina Aunt May
Energy Projection golden Aunt May, but it isnt needed
Intelligence Aunt May having the knowledge to get adamantium katana that can "penetrate" superman
Special Power mystiques shapeshifting turning into lois then says "look at this katana dear" then proceeds to stab superman.

That's what I'm talking bout. Just one of Aunt Mays stats so far surpasses this clown she doesn't new any others