Wonder Woman vs Hercules

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Whereas I just don't see experience being that big a factor. After a while, there are only so many ways a human body can punch and kick, after all.

It's usually not. I mean look at Thor. But Herc imo is different. I feel like in this matchup his experience makes him a better combatant with equal stats. Come to think of it, I also feel he has better damage soak. I don't think he rags her but I think he'd take a slight majority. I also adding in her lack of weapons which hinder her alot more than him.

One more thing (sorry about the double post) but when OP says equal stats. What exactly does that mean? Is he scaling up to her speed? Is she going down to his? Then things get murky with durability, endurance etc.

I thought they had equal durability, speed, strength etc.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
One more thing (sorry about the double post) but when OP says equal stats. What exactly does that mean? Is he scaling up to her speed? Is she going down to his? Then things get murky with durability, endurance etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought they had equal durability, speed, strength etc.

Yea but damage soak is more a mental thing than an actual stat. Like punisher for example.

Originally posted by Smurph
Just assume equal for either. To the degree that one has higher stats than the other, they get equalized in the middle.

That's fine. But I feel like she souybe more affected than he would. She loses flight and her speed is nerfed while his speed is amped. But he's not accustomed to being that fast

Originally posted by Smurph
But... isn't that more than Diana can say, in terms of powerless skill feats?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Crossing swords with Elektra is hardly the epitome of skill feats.

At the very least, she has deflected bullets whilst depowered.

Fair, but not relevant. There are no bullets or bracelets here, and speed is equalized.

But she's not using speed to deflect bullets....it's skill. She had no powers, so was at human level - and we're definitely not fast enough to block bullets, even if I had carbon fibre Kevlar diamond bracelets.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But she's not using speed to deflect bullets....it's skill. She had no powers, so was at human level - and we're definitely not fast enough to block bullets, even if I had carbon fibre Kevlar diamond bracelets.

If you can deflect spammers bullets, you can deflect punches!

But yeah, she was depowered then, so had no speed. And used pure skill to deflect a bullet, so I am saying if that bullet was replaced by a Herc fist, she can also deflect it, or dodge, or at the very least, do something about it, even without any superhuman speed.

Like I said, it's a paltry feat - but I haven't been impressed by Herc, who doesn't have something similar (or does he?)

It's an alright feat, it just isn't a hand to hand feat. I think Herc blocked Elektra's shuriken and shot an arrow down the barrel of a gun but again, neither are relevant here

Originally posted by Smurph
Agreed, but that only underlines my point

Originally posted by Smurph
My point was that you have to be fast and skilled (at deflecting bullets) in order to deflect bullets. Neither trait is relevant here because speed difference is nil and it's hand to hand.

Diana can at least throw down with Superman even though she's vastly weaker than him on pure skill.

Originally posted by Smurph
It's an alright feat, it just isn't a hand to hand feat. I think Herc blocked Elektra's shuriken and shot an arrow down the barrel of a gun but again, neither are relevant here

At least Diana had the muscle memory (or skill) to block bullets. Which would travel faster than a fist.

Unless you're saying she's able to deflect something as fast and as small as a bullet on skill, but is unable to do so if that bullet was scaled up to fist size and scaled down to fist speed.

Lol I didn't say you should be awestruck at anything. I think both of these characters are more talk than show.

Diana's more skilled than Superman, got it.

Originally posted by Smurph
Lol I didn't say you should be awestruck at anything. I think both of these characters are more talk than show.

Diana's more skilled than Superman, got it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
At least Diana had the muscle memory (or skill) to block bullets. Which would travel faster than a fist.

Unless you're saying she's able to deflect something as fast and as small as a bullet on skill, but is unable to do so if that bullet was scaled up to fist size and scaled down to fist speed.

And to the degree that it shows Diana's expertise in bullet blocking, it's irrelevant - because no bullets or bracelets here.

I just don't see value in the feat outside those two categories.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is more skilled than Hercules, so that's not in his favor.

Originally posted by Smurph
So we're agreed that the reason Diana can throw down with Clark is her skill advantage over him?