Rebels Darth Vader vs Obi Wan Kenobi show Darth Vader (see details)

When was Darth Vader better or more powerful out of : Rebels when he dueled Ahsoka or the Obi Wan Kenobi show Darth Vader and which will be best out of the following:

1. Light Sabers
2. Force powers
3. All out anything goes

Rebels Vader.

Not sure he was ever better than Peak Obi-Wan though.

Definitely Rebels Vader. I know this time period has been referred to as his peak, but it is open to interpretation on what that means. By the time of rebels, his presence in the dark side is at its peak - barely any trace of Anakin Skywalker is left until he learns of his son in the OT.

I would say all versions of Vader are more powerful than Kenobi. At no point did Obi-wan ever defeat Vader because he is more powerful - it has always been due to other factors that drive the story.

Originally posted by Forschbewithu
Definitely Rebels Vader. I know this time period has been referred to as his peak, but it is open to interpretation on what that means. By the time of rebels, his presence in the dark side is at its peak - barely any trace of Anakin Skywalker is left until he learns of his son in the OT.

I would say all versions of Vader are more powerful than Kenobi. At no point did Obi-wan ever defeat Vader because he is more powerful - it has always been due to other factors that drive the story.

Anakin and Obi-Wan were even in RoTS, but in the Kenobi finale he solidly was beating Vader the entire fight.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
He beat Anakin in a fist-fight while undercover in TCW. He beat him in a fair fight in the Kenobi finale.

Anakin and Obi-Wan were even in RoTS, but in the Kenobi finale he solidly was beating Vader the entire fight.

I never said Kenobi didn't beat Vader fair and square. They faught multiple times, and Vader lost multiple times. What I'm saying is the reason why Kenobi is able to defeat Vader is NOT because he's more powerful than him.

^ He seemed more powerful in the Kenobi finale. Have you seen it?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ He seemed more powerful in the Kenobi finale. Have you seen it?

Lol. Yes. He's definitely powerful. I would argue that you can certainly put him in the same tier as Mace, Yoda, Dooku, rots Anakin, etc.

Yeah I don’t think Obi Wan was necessarily more powerful than Vader.

Insider #214 states that Vader’s emotional need to win blinded him and allowed Kenobi to win:

“During the fight, Vader almost killed Obi-Wan, attempting to crush his former master under a barrage of rocks from a position of higher ground, a reversal of fortunes compared to their fateful battle on Mustafar. On that occasion, the victorious Obi-Wan had left Vader to die in a pool of molten lava. Here, Vader showed no mercy, leaving the scene certain that he had finished Kenobi for good. That he had won.

This was not the end of the fight, however, and its climax had been foreshadowed in “Part V”, in a sequence that took us back to happier times.

During a sparring session in the Jedi temple on coruscant, Anakin’s and Obi-Wan’s practice duel neatly revealed their strengths and weaknesses. It essayed the complexity of Anakin’s character—calm yet impatient, motivated by the deep well of emotion that seethed within him, and his capacity for both good and evil. Obi-Wan observed that Anakin was too eager to win. “Your need for victory Anakin, it blinds you” he observed. The same flaw continued to blind Vader years later. Even as the emperor’s right hand man, he still suffered from the same egotistical need to win that Obi-Wan had noted.”

”Vader’s sense of victory was premature, as Obi Wan not only extricated himself from his predicament, but turned his full power on the Dark Lord, smashing his life support system and cleaving a gash in Vader’s helmet and mask.”

It also sounds like Kenobi was amped:

“Fighting not to be crushed, Kenobi focuses on Luke and Leia, and the memories give him the strength to escape and overpower Vader.”

It does say that Vader and Kenobi are equals by the end of the series though:

“At the end of the series, the two were evenly matched, almost mirror images of each other in outlook and deed, with the result that their duel on the Death Star has more resonance than ever.”

^ Yeah I was gonna say that even if Vader was conflicted or underestimated him, still Kenobi overpowered him pretty badly, so that would still leave room for them to be equals if both at peak condition (which it appears from your quote that they were).

As for the Amp, that seems to be permanent from that point, given how quickly he dealt with Maul later, and still held his own against ANH Vader (despite Vader claiming the Old Mans powers had weakened by this point).

According to insider #214 Vader actually wasn’t conflicted:

“Any illusion that Darth Vader was masking some internal conflict was dispelled when he and Obi-Wan Kenobi fought again among the rocky spires of a barren moon.”

It sounds like he was just so blinded by anger and the need to win that he wasn’t thinking straight.

On topic:

Rebels Vader should be more powerful and less emotional than OWK Vader so he wins.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
On topic:

Rebels Vader should be more powerful and less emotional than OWK Vader so he wins.

Why? Given Kenobi beat Vader pretty solidly. And he even held his own as of ANH (not long after Rebels), when his powers had supposedly weakened some.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why? Given Kenobi beat Vader pretty solidly. And he even held his own as of ANH (not long after Rebels), when his powers had supposedly weakened some.

Vader was beating Kenobi pretty badly in ANH according to the book “From A Certain Point of View”. Kenobi admitted he had no hope of winning.

Why does he win.

But Thats only from Kenobis POV right? We need Vaders POV to get a balanced view. In the film he clearly held his own, though it was hinted he would likely lose.

Besides that was Peak Vader, but not Peak Kenobi as his powers had apparently weakened by then.

I’m saying Rebels Vader would beat OWK Vader

Oh okay

But if OWK Vader and OWK Kenobi are equal then prime Vader should beat OWK Kenobi too

Kenobi solidly overpowered him after his amp though, so dont really see how they were equal.

Originally posted by Forschbewithu
I never said Kenobi didn't beat Vader fair and square. They faught multiple times, and Vader lost multiple times. What I'm saying is the reason why Kenobi is able to defeat Vader is NOT because he's more powerful than him.