T'Challa vs Namor

Originally posted by h1a8
So now you want to argue writer's intent while dismissing others.

Yes I want to argue it now that it's ACTUALLY BEEN STATED by Said Writer.

You prefer to make it up.

Originally posted by h1a8

That's not the argument. The claim is that Namor hurt Shuri. I see no proof of that.

If you're grunting and crying out in pain after you get hit, then you were obviously hurt... which is something Shuri was doing multiple times in her fight against a weakened Namor.

Now, do all of us a favor and actually watch the movie before commenting on this thread.

He watched the Lego version that he made himself. With just one Lego.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you're grunting and crying out in pain after you get hit, then you were obviously hurt... which is something Shuri was doing multiple times in her fight against a weakened Namor.

Now, do all of us a favor and actually watch the movie before commenting on this thread.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes I want to argue it now that it's ACTUALLY BEEN STATED by Said Writer.

You prefer to make it up.

Show me that the writer stated Namor hurt Shuri.

Originally posted by Smurph
He hurts Shuri with his bare hands while they're fighting in the evaporation chamber and his spear is stuck in the ship. It's also clear that she's getting hurt when he knocks her around after they crash land.

What's the proof?

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you're grunting and crying out in pain after you get hit, then you were obviously hurt... which is something Shuri was doing multiple times in her fight against a weakened Namor.

Now, do all of us a favor and actually watch the movie before commenting on this thread.

Originally posted by h1a8

I didn't see any evidence (verbal sounds of pain, laying on the ground for extended periods of time, etc) that Namor hurt Shuri. All I saw was him knock her around and her releasing kinetic energy that was stored.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. I remember no such things. Prove me wrong.

Just so we're clear, you're claiming that Shuri never grunted nor cried out in pain when she was fighting Namor?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just so we're clear, you're claiming that Shuri never grunted nor cried out in pain when she was fighting Namor?

Yup that's my claim. Now prove me wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yup that's my claim. Now prove me wrong.

Easy, you need to watch the movie and listen. Hard to prove something to someone who doesn't even want to go and look at the proof.

Now after you've watched the movie, prove to me that Shuri wasn't hurt.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Easy, you need to watch the movie and listen. Hard to prove something to someone who doesn't even want to go and look at the proof.

Now after you've watched the movie, prove to me that Shuri wasn't hurt.

Hint:I wouldn't say " prove me wrong" if I didn't see it myself.

Originally posted by h1a8
I watched the scene yesterday. That's why I posted what I said (no verbal clues, no lying for extended periods of time, etc)

And you obviously weren't paying attention, as everyone here will agree that both Namor and Shuri were indeed grunting in pain multiple times in their fight.

So again, please make sure you watch the movie and pay attention, otherwise it's useless providing proof to someone who hasn't watched the movie.

Now if you want to claim Shuri wasn't hurt, then you'll need to prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8

What's the proof?

Originally posted by Smurph
The footage in those scenes. I can't hold your hand any further than that.

Exactly. If he is unable to comprehend was is happening during those scenes, then everybody is just wasting their time with him.

I find that to be the case most times with H1.

Originally posted by h1a8
Show me that the writer stated Namor hurt Shuri.

The writer said Namor is as strong as Thor/Hulk, who we already know can easily batter even TChalla BP, let alone Shuri BP.

Now concede, either that you are wrong here or that you have been wrong all these years (decades now) claiming Writers Intent is what matters.

Either way I want a concession.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The writer said Namor is as strong as Thor/Hulk, who we already know can easily batter even TChalla BP, let alone Shuri BP.

Now concede, either that you are wrong here or that you have been wrong all these years (decades now) claiming Writers Intent is what matters.

Either way I want a concession.

Originally posted by h1a8
Writer's opinion is invalid if it contradicts onscreen evidence

And who decides that? Oh let me guess, you do.

Just GTFO man. Youre an imbecile.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And who decides that? Oh let me guess, you do.

Just GTFO man. Youre an imbecile.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's kmc rules. Been that way since the beginning.
Stop acting all new

There is no KMC rule that says you, H1, gets to decide what writer's intent is.

The only consistent aspect of h1's interpretations of the rules or "writer intent" is that they conveniently always require proof from everybody but him. Everything else shifts but that's the constant.

Treating writer’s comments as canon only if they don’t contradict the film itself seems perfectly logical to me. I fail to see the issue. Obviously, there will be some degree of interpretation. There always is.

As for this specific case... Now I haven't seen the film. But unless Namor was effortlessly stomping BP Shuri then, yeah, that seems to be a pretty clear cut contradiction.

Originally posted by ares834
Treating writer’s comments as canon only if they don’t contradict the film itself seems perfectly logical to me. I fail to see the issue. Obviously, there will be some degree of interpretation. There always is.

As for this specific case... Now I haven't seen the film. But unless Namor was effortlessly stomping BP Shuri then, yeah, that seems to be a pretty clear cut contradiction.

A severely weakened Namor almost killed Shuri (in BP armor). The only reason Shuri survived was because Namor walked away and tried to get back to water.