Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Was tempted to post that scene 👆He knew damn well you had Strange in mind.
Mind will just sooner die than acknowledge any of the Marvel feats. What else is new. The feat got reposted dozens of times, it's hardly a novelty.
After the Galactus fight.
Don't pretend you forgot, love.
Leave it to dumbo to unable to understand som.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If only DC acted like it, instead of reshuffling the deck every week, every book relaunch...Feels like nothing really counts there anymore rather than vice versa, tbh.
Both are as bad, just marvel has never rebooted and now DC has done the same.
Originally posted by MrMindEvidence was already provided.
again, explain whyzatanna did something similar, aka awaken the universe in seven soldiers, and zatanna isn't even ranked in dc
Disingenuously repeating the same question while ignoring responsive answers doesn't actually extend the discussion. It just signals the end of it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSpider-Man likes to punch down and fight street guys a lot but I’m not sure I’d include him in street when he can pick up a train car and throw it.
Wolverine has to walk, I guess is why he’s listed here? but he neither primarily operates in street tier nor does he really often partake in street tier vigilantism, he just occssionally collides with them and loses a decent chunk of the time.
But that’s not here nor there really, just pointing out adding above peak human/low-mid meta dudes to Marvel streets is ****in weird.
That said, Great fighters don’t have to be street tier though, either, which is what his list is.
Karate Kid is a better fighter than everyone there.
Wonder Woman would be up the list as well.
And many others.
Strength
DC, simply based on the numbers. Even if you have the various Hulks and Superman copies on team Marvel, you have MORE characters on DC, who have Super Strength. So it's not just Superman, but also Supergirl and Power Girl and Zod and Superboy and Bizarro and so on. Same with Shazam, Black Adam, Mary Marvel etc.
Speed
DC.
Magic
At the highest level they aren't too far off, but DC has again more magic characters and a bigger focus on it with something like the Justice League Dark.
Reality Warping
Marvel. It's as much Marvel things as is speed for DC.
Telepathy
Marvel. Telepathy and telekinesis are often a mutant thing.
Versatility
Probably Marvel. Thor is in theory more versatile than the entirety of the Justice League thanks to Mjolnir, even though he never uses it.
Tech
Marvel. Reed Richards, Iron Man and Doctor Doom carry hard. Batman, Lex Luthor and Mister Terrific have potential in theory, but they don't utilize it as much as Marvel does.
Durability
Maybe a tie. DC has the numbers again for the same reason as with the strength. That's invulnerability. But Marvel often has the healing factors: Hulk, Sentry, Wolverine, Deadpool and other mutants etc.
Energy Projection
Marvel. Again, some mutants carry here. Silver Surfer, Sentry, Thor with Mjölnir. It's important to note though that many characters great with energy projection and manipulation are glass canons in Marvel, like Scarlet Witch or Vulcan for example.
Fighting skills
DC. Karate Kid, Cassandra Cain and such characters carry hard. Overall the Bat-family adds a lot of numbers to the fighting skills ability. Although certain Marvel individual Marvel characters would hold their own. DC just has more.
Marvel Street Level Appearances:Spider-man: 9675
Wolverine: 9789
Captain America: 6870
Daredevil: 2889
Black Panther: 1565
Deadpool 1248
Punisher: 1778
Iron Fist: 1381
Hawkeye: 2903
Winter Soldier: 1306
Black Widow: 1970
Elektra: 661
Nick Fury: 2837
Shang-Chi: 477
Moon Knight: 763
Gambit: 2936
Psylock: 2687Total: 51735
DC Street Level Appearances:
Batman: 10097
Catwoman: 1339
Nightwing: 4322
Tim Drake: 1818
Jason Todd: 510
Lady Shiva: 141
Cassandra Cain: 347
Green Arrow: 2267
Barbra Gordon: 1723
Deathstroke: 621
Black Canary: 1882
Katana: 412
Huntress: 632
Arsenal: 1274
Wildcat: 894
Bronze Tiger: 192
Richard Dragon: 67Total: 28538
There is a few huge problems with this quote of StiltmanFTW from page
Obviously all characters have had more appearances since this was posted but most of the DC characters have double or more than double while the Marvel characters appearances for the most part have increased by half the number they had when posted.
Currently
Dick Grayson has made over 9000 appearances not 4k
Tim Drake 3000 not 1800
Roy Harper over 2000 not 1200
Jason Todd 1500 not 500
Lady Shiva 275 not 141
Bertinelli Huntress has made over 1000 appearances a d Helena Wayne almost 400 so between them aroumd 1500 not 600
Deathstroke 1200 not 621
Green Arrow nearly 4000 not 3000
Katana is almost 900 not 400
Ted Grant Wildcat has 1200 appearances and Yolanda over 100 so 1300 not 894
Cassandra Cain has 724 not 347
While Cap is 11000 not just under 7000
Wolverine 15000 not just under 10000
Daredevil is 4500 not just onder 3000
Etc.
DC aren't publishing as many titles as Marvel and haven't been since Nu52 so how are their numbers grown so much in comparison?
Secondly there seems to be a hell of a lot more DC Street Level characters missing than Marvel
Batwoman
Azrael
Question
Manhunter (there're been at least 4 of them)
Mr Terrific
Sumo
Cheshire
Constantine Drakon
David Cain
O- Sensai/Sensai
Merlin
Ras Al Ghul
Karate Kid
Then there's like 3 dozen golden age characters who's histories are still canon and referred to in post crisis JSA, inf Inc. Characters like
Crimson Avenger (only first one due to ppwers of 2nd)
Judo Master (only 1st due to powers of Second) and wing
Meanwhile I can only think of a few onnthe Marvel side missing
Swordsman
Stick
Bullseye
Kingpin
Gamora
USAgent
Bare in mind I'm only counting non powered purely skilled characters from both sides. I wouldn't count Spiderman or Logan as Street which is why I'm not including Argus, and some of those legacies I mentioned.
Finally a number of appearances doesn't mean crap.bif a new character was created tomorrow who in combat soloed a few top tier h2h characters and never appeared again s/he would still be above those characters despite their number of appearances.
I dont think either can claim an upper hand in combat skill really but that argument doesn't make a case of worth imho
Re Magic I think DC has more magic based characters than Marvel.
Teams like JLD, shadowpact, Sentinels of Magic.
Magic gods like Lords of Order and Chaos, the pantheon that exist because those lords assumed God forms and the worship to them created gods when the LOO,/LOC abandoned the guise (like Greek Gods)
The various biblical characters like all the angels and minions of hell.
Those that serve said biblical characters like Spectre, Stranger, Deadman
Then you have all the non affiliated mystics like Dr Occult, Ibis, Saigon, Zatanna, Zatara, Merlin, White Witch, Arion, the minions of GEM World, the Fairy, silver Sorceress, Bloodwynde, Klarion, Enchantress, Black Alice
At Marvel you have the hell Lords the various entities that mystic call on (Cyttorak, agamotto etc), those powered by them. Order and Chaos,the gods at Marvel are more celestial/cosmic power than magic which knocks a large chunk out of what should be a matching equation.
Strange, Mordo, Morgan Le Fey, Merlin, Dr Druid, Wong, Brother Voodoo, Devil Slayer, Hellstrom and his sister, Loki, Dormammu, Enchantress, Scarlet Witch (and her son) etc are all just a little out numbered.
Originally posted by MrMindI'm pretty sure I know what you're referring to -- in which case, lol -- but indulge me and tell me which Mordru appearance you're relying on to make such a statement.
i mean yeah... mordru was just recently throwing around power that can split universe like chump change, warping comic panelswhy are you so weird
Originally posted by MrMindI feel like the effort is wasted but I would implore you to reread Mordru's actual involvement in Justice League Dark v.2 #10-12.
the recent jld appearance, you don't seriously think strange or wanda can compete on that level do you?
But I mean... we can discuss it if you want after you've reread them.