Superman vs Gorr, Old King Thor, Young Thor

Also, this discussion is indeed a deja vu lol

Originally posted by Galan007
What are you even arguing here?

Snyder's only objective was making Superman powerful enough to drop World Forger, and collapse his multiverse in order to prevent him from trying these same antics again. Superman's punch conveniently accomplished both.

Did you honestly expect the shockwaves from Superman's punch to kill everyone around him as well? It's not *just* a battleboard feat, dude -- it's a comic book, first and foremost. Something like that(ie. Superman inadvertently killing all of his friends/allies) was never going to happen, and certainly does not diminish the feat(s) Superman preformed there.

^ Galan007 is not immune to making retarded statements. Given that the alternate multiversal versions of the Justice League were vaporized but the actual Justice League weren't vaporized suggests that there was some macguffin that allowed that to happen, i.e., the cosmic anvil.

Let me know when you want to argue with me directly instead of hiding behind your teacher's skirt.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Actually, I addressed. But to be fair it was after I edited it. But of course I think we can contact mods run an IP test and...if you're proven wrong, what are you going to do with that 🙂 ?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I did say it is a possibility. Guess you can't speak English, right?

Also, you didn't address the other(and main) point I made...that you don't have any explicit evidence, just your speculations

And?

Is that your go-to approach when you can't continue arguing in a constructive manner?

Am I supposed to utterly deconstruct this WF punch feat as opposed to simply point out the feckin obvious?

Originally posted by ODG
Given that I've had multiple IP addresses but wouldn't know a poster's decade old username, I'd do nothing but stay with the same conclusion. But go ahead, ask a mod if your IP address matches any past poster. You're no even addressing what I posted. Moreover, you're pretending to have posted something different. Are you trying to rewrite the course of our discussion again?

Is that your go-to approach when you can't continue arguing in a constructive manner?

Am I supposed to utterly deconstruct this WF punch feat as opposed to simply point out the feckin obvious?

Sure, we can ask Galan or Pr to do that. But I want you to (at least) give me an apology for denigrating me

Again, what is your point that worth addressing, when there is no evidence?

Like holding a (even one of mods said that) hilarious stance to dismiss that feat?

Edit for your edit:

Or because it's a trope that we saw it happen all the time in comics? For example: Flashes race destroying the Multiverse but the Earth didn't get destroyed in the process

^ Page-breaking nub.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because you just need one click and *anyone* can see your previous username? 🙂

https://i.ibb.co/VDzgFr4/20.jpg

Sure, we can ask Galan or Pr to do that. But I want you to (at least) give me an apology for denigrating me

Is it supposed to be less embarrassing that you're so resentful you researched my profile in the hopes of finding something useful to insult me than just being a sock?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Again, what is your point that worth addressing, when there is no evidence?

Like holding a (even one of mods said that) hilarious stance to dismiss that feat?

But I understand that's all you're reduced to. Consider yourself informed.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Page-breaking nub. How ironic this is the same excuse that other socks have used. Trying to pretend the shoe is on the other foot isn't a winning strategy, son.

But I understand that's all you're reduced to. Consider yourself informed.

Much like your WF's argument I suppose.

And yes, I guess I'm well informed how you roll

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So again, no proof that I'm a sock just your (bias) speculations?

Much like your WF's argument I suppose.

Because Superman annihilating a multiverse w/ a punch shockwave, along with the alternate multiversal Justice League, but only leaving a crater in a planet and the actual Justice League intact who were right next to them is speculation? That's what happened on-panel.

Ain't no way to read comics, boy. Not unless you have some crudely immature agenda over fictional characters.

But.....plot armour exists in comics, right? The Beyonder fired off a blast that would have destroyed a billion million multiverses or whatever - but it didn't even singe the curtains, as an example; the Frost King fired off blasts that GLs needed shields against, but Batman just turns his back on ; Superman and Doomsday throw punches that blow windows out and register on seismographs around the world, but Lois and Jimmy are next to them etc etc

Probably shit examples, but my point is still there

Originally posted by ODG
If some random poster started insulting Philosophia in a thread by making fun of his old Erik Lensherr username, I'd think he was a sock. Because seriously... why would any random poster be desperate enough to resort to researching a profile for innocuous ammo to insult them with? But you do you.

Because Superman annihilating a multiverse w/ a punch shockwave, along with the alternate multiversal Justice League, but only leaving a crater in a planet and the actual Justice League intact who were right next to them is speculation? That's what happened on-panel.

And ironically, you also don't like it, but when the positions switched, you accuse me a sock account, ok 🙂

So collateral damage, ok

Originally posted by Galan007
But that's not the point.

In that scene there was literally zero collateral damage to Owen's apartment, despite the blast itself being powerful enough to destroy several billion entire dimensions:

So only trying to gauge the blast's potency based on the amount of collateral damage it caused would be faulty in that instance.

Here is another example...

A blast from Galactus actually harmed Thanos to an extent, despite ALL the defensive shielding of his ship being in place:

...But the blast only caused very minor collateral damage to their surroundings(a small circular crater beneath Thanos, is all.)

Yet in the very same series, Thanos himself(without the aid of his ship's shielding) outright tanked the close-range planetary destruction of a gas giant without skipping a beat:

So despite a lack of collateral damage in the first scene, we can still infer that the potency of Galactus's blast would have been =/> the explosion of the gas giant that Thanos tanked a few issues later.

tl;dr
Collateral damage is not always a reliable measuring stick when it comes to gauging the potency of energy attacks and such. Makes perfect sense that higher-end reality/energy manipulators would be able to concentrate and contain their attacks so that they still retain full potency, without causing any unwanted 'bleed-over' to their surroundings(ie. collateral damage.)

Plus, You literally get a scene that depicted Superman and Doomsday's shockwaves were destroying their surroundings, Which should be able to kill lois and others by your logic
https://ibb.co/MCQK1v8

And

Originally posted by abhilegend

😂

Odin and full Odinforce Thor gets koed by a country level level explosion.

Double lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That same blast doesn't do any more damage to Nighthawk and Cap, lol.

Team books, amirite?

^ Page-breaking nub.

If there were random characters who were as durable as the Avengers standing around completely unaffected by that Mjolnir clash and some random cosmic cube attuned to a multiverse that were destroyed, you'd have something similar to the WF scene.

As it stands, you don't. The desperation is palpable.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But.....plot armour exists in comics, right? The Beyonder fired off a blast that would have destroyed a billion million multiverses or whatever - but it didn't even singe the curtains, as an example; the Frost King fired off blasts that GLs needed shields against, but Batman just turns his back on ; Superman and Doomsday throw punches that blow windows out and register on seismographs around the world, but Lois and Jimmy are next to them etc etc

Probably shit examples, but my point is still there

But if you're trying to argue collateral damage was responsible for a feat whilst ignoring that collateral damage selectively did not affect other things, you've got a problem, son.

At the impact of Superman's punch, we saw the alternate multiversal Justice League be destroyed. They were in direct H2H combat and proximity with the actual Justice League. We're supposed to believe Superman's punch's collateral damage obliterated them, didn't touch the Justice League and then went on to obliterate an entire multiverse? Selective plot armor + an inconceivably exponentially greater scope of punching power is more realistic to explain that stark contrast than the simply convenient plot device of the crisis anvil being destroyed?

Let's not be stupid about this. Feat-fishing is one thing. Ignoring the glaringly obvious is just insulting.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Page-breaking nub.

If there were random characters who were as durable as the Avengers standing around completely unaffected by that Mjolnir clash and some random cosmic cube attuned to a multiverse that were destroyed, you'd have something similar to the WF scene.

As it stands, you don't. The desperation is palpable. The presence of collateral damage is meaningful. It's absence isn't.

But if you're trying to argue collateral damage was responsible for a feat whilst ignoring that collateral damage selectively did not affect other things, you've got a problem, son.

At the impact of Superman's punch, we saw the alternate multiversal Justice League be destroyed. They were in direct H2H combat and proximity with the actual Justice League. We're supposed to believe Superman's punch's collateral damage obliterated them, didn't touch the Justice League and then went on to obliterate an entire multiverse? Selective plot armor + an inconceivably exponentially greater scope of punching power is more realistic to explain that stark contrast than the simply convenient plot device of the crisis anvil being destroyed?

Let's not be stupid about this. Feat-fishing is one thing. Ignoring the glaringly obvious is just insulting.

You want to argue shockwaves should kill others. We have Day of Doom where we saw Superman and Doomsday' fight were creating explosions and destroying its surroundings, yet, Lois and others stand right around them( as shown in DoS) wasn't affected

You want ot argue scope, Flashes' race were destroying the Multiverse, yet the Earth remains largely unaffected etc

Edit:
Also here, Superman and Jaxon generated enough energy to restore infinite timelines, yet didn't kill anyone there

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Hmm, such anally strict demands...it almost like saying "this Superman's feat is definitely not the way it was stated in the comics, although I don't have any explicit evidence to disprove it"

... whatever is necessary to aggrandize a Superman feat, eh?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You want to argue shockwaves should kill others. We have Day of Doom where we saw Superman and Doomsday' fight were creating explosions and destroying its surroundings, yet, Lois and others stand right around them( as shown in DoS) wasn't affected

... whatever is necessary to inflate a Superman feat, eh?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You want ot argue scope, Flashes' race were destroying the Multiverse, yet the Earth remains largely unaffected etc

Superman... the other Speedforce-user that never actually used the Speedforce. 🙄

Originally posted by ODG
I actually did disprove it given the alternate multiversal Justice League were obliterated but not eh actual Justice League.

For example:
Superman and Jaxon generated enough energy to restore infinite timelines, yet didn't kill anyone there

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ

Originally posted by ODG

... whatever is necessary to aggrandize a Superman feat, eh? If there were some alternate Perry White and Cat Grant vaporized while Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen were unharmed, I'd think there were some plot device responsible. As it stands, we had the crisis anvil in the scene we're speaking of.

How tiresomely quick Superfanboys are to reach to Flash as if that were to reverse-inflate Superman's own feats. 🙄

Originally posted by ODG
^ Page-breaking nub.

If there were random characters who were as durable as the Avengers standing around completely unaffected by that Mjolnir clash and some random cosmic cube attuned to a multiverse that were destroyed, you'd have something similar to the WF scene.

As it stands, you don't. The desperation is palpable. The presence of collateral damage is meaningful. It's absence isn't.

But if you're trying to argue collateral damage was responsible for a feat whilst ignoring that collateral damage selectively did not affect other things, you've got a problem, son.

At the impact of Superman's punch, we saw the alternate multiversal Justice League be destroyed. They were in direct H2H combat and proximity with the actual Justice League. We're supposed to believe Superman's punch's collateral damage obliterated them, didn't touch the Justice League and then went on to obliterate an entire multiverse? Selective plot armor + an inconceivably exponentially greater scope of punching power is more realistic to explain that stark contrast than the simply convenient plot device of the crisis anvil being destroyed?

Let's not be stupid about this. Feat-fishing is one thing. Ignoring the glaringly obvious is just insulting.

Well...yeah. Superman and Doomsday punched each other hard enough to blow windows out, cause seismograph readings...but completely unaffected Lois. Selective collateral damage.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well...yeah. Superman and Doomsday punched each other hard enough to blow windows out, cause seismograph readings...but completely unaffected Lois. Selective collateral damage.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well...yeah. Superman and Doomsday punched each other hard enough to blow windows out, cause seismograph readings...but completely unaffected Lois. Selective collateral damage.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because? I also could say that is plot armor that always happens in comics history.

For example:
Superman and Jaxon generated enough energy to restore infinite timelines, yet didn't kill anyone there

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And as it stands, you didn't provide any proof that crisis anvil is responsible for Superman destroying WF's Multiverse

Originally posted by ODG
I appreciate you not breaking the page anymore (too late), but I can't actually read these scans that appear to be pre-Crisis from the tiny images I see. Ignoring the dispositive evidence isn't going to make it go away. Let's not actually read the comic. Let's gloss over it to distort the plain presentation of the scene. But go ahead and hide your head in the sand.

Originally posted by ODG
Ignoring the dispositive evidence isn't going to make it go away. Let's not actually read the comic. Let's gloss over it to distort the plain presentation of the scene. But go ahead and hide your head in the sand.

Especially your "dispositive evidence" can be easily explained by plot armor
Or 6th dimension works differently
Or Superman directed his force to WF and his Multiverse, like SBP did in Death Metal Secret Origin or some DB style
etcetcetc

Do I have a explicit evidence to prove it?No, but in the same way you also can't provide a definite evidence to prove what you claimed

Edit:
IOW, we have on-panel statements that *directly* support Superman what Superman did

We even have some implications to hint Superman can do it
https://ibb.co/nfV9svD

What you have is....implications that open to interpretations which not directly support your claims

Yet, you call me "hide your head in the sand" while yourself can't even provide a clear proof for your stance.....

^ The page-breaking actually is worse. Ain't nobody got time to resize the page to see dat pre-Crisis sh1t.