Better & better.
Now we need someone to say it started in the 50s or 40s 🙂 Beatboks, come here 😂
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I argue that the 90s were Marvel's worst decade.... weren't they inching towards bankruptcy?
It was a whole series of unfortunate business decisions, mixed in with some bad luck & seven big name creators leaving Marvel and founding Image Comics.
Originally posted by Booya_69
Only a handful of ppl tuned to watch the Justice League animated series(2000's) while EVERYBODY watched the xmen and spiderman series of the 90's.
To counterpoint: Batman: TAS (and the general Timmverse). Batman, Batman Forever, Batman Returns, Batman and Robin, with Arnie, Uma Thurman, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Jack Nicholson, Michelle Pfeiffer, Basinger, Keaton etc etc etc.... whilst Marvel had Hasselhof lol.
People forget just how shitty the MCU was before, in the dark days.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Those storylines are indisputably classics in a different context but call me a DC fanboy... I believe they pale in comparison to the critical acclaim and financial success of the DC comics I listed... with possibly the exception of the Dark Phoenix Saga... which was 1980.
You are probably right. I guess as a comic collector, I was basing my post on what I think is more collectible at this point. I admit that I probably looked at it in the wrong capacity.
They pulled ahead pretty quickly, simply because DC was creatively dead in the sixties. DC had reduced both Batman and Superman to farce, and farce is usually the death-rattle of any genre. In the seventies DC started to fight back, slowly giving Batman his balls back. But by then Marvel had already taken over the market heavily. But at least the era of Superman the prankster was over.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Better & better.Now we need someone to say it started in the 50s or 40s 🙂 Beatboks, come here 😂
Definitely not the 40s, timely (Marvel's predecessor) had Cap A, Human Torch, All Winners and Namor (plus that stupid Daredevil with a spikey belt).
Most popular comic publisher in the 40s I would say would have been Fawcett. Whiz comics and Shazam family both sold over a million copies annissue. Spy Smasher was huge. Not to mention both these had movies and movie serials way before any other comic related character.
Captain Marvel 1941
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0033317/
Spy Smasher in 1942
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0035372/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_Smasher_(serial)
Batman wasn't until 43, Superman wasn't till 48 (IIRC)
Originally posted by beatboks
Definitely not the 40s, timely (Marvel's predecessor) had Cap A, Human Torch, All Winners and Namor (plus that stupid Daredevil with a spikey belt).Most popular comic publisher in the 40s I would say would have been Fawcett. Whiz comics and Shazam family both sold over a million copies annissue. Spy Smasher was huge. Not to mention both these had movies and movie serials way before any other comic related character.
Captain Marvel 1941
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0033317/
Spy Smasher in 1942
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0035372/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_Smasher_(serial)Batman wasn't until 43, Superman wasn't till 48 (IIRC)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To counterpoint: Batman: TAS (and the general Timmverse). Batman, Batman Forever, Batman Returns, Batman and Robin, with Arnie, Uma Thurman, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Jack Nicholson, Michelle Pfeiffer, Basinger, Keaton etc etc etc.... whilst Marvel had Hasselhof lol.
People forget just how shitty the MCU was before, in the dark days.
How can you say this when batman and Robin exist lol
Originally posted by Booya_69
Batman TAS was great but again none of my friends or aquintances really watched it. Yes exactly, but Those films were quickly forgotten when Blade and xmen dropped. My point being that marvel is what is today because of their animated series imo..i mean look at the numbers between Sam raimis spider-man and batman begins..[B] People forget just how shitty the MCU was before, in the dark days.
How can you say this when batman and Robin exist lol [/B]
Lol well, X-men was in 2000 (so I agree, the 2000s were when Marvel pulled ahead).
Blade was in 1998, I give you that - but many didn't know it was a Marvel film/character, and it was really a B-movie. And no, I didn't forget Batman and Robin, lol, but my point was...
Batman and Robin, though critically shat upon, had Arnie (still pretty high in the action totem pole, though he was waning), Uma Thurman, Clooney (at the top of his ER game, and had been cast in major Hollywood movies by then), Alicia Silverstone (Clueless, her most famous role, was in 1995, so she was a pretty big star) - and had a budget of $150million. IOW, it was a Big Thing. Yeah,it was shit....but it made $238million.
Blade had...Wesley Snipes, and a budget of $45million. My point being, Batman and Robin was a sufficiently 'sure' bet for a movie studio to throw money and big names at it. Which is due to, you guessed it, DC's popularity. Marvel? They couldn't get anyone to even buy their properties - I think at one point they offered their entire catalogue to Sony for $25 million (who didn't even think it worth it, so only bought Spidey for $10 million).
Let that sink it. RDJ earned $75million alone for Endgame. Jeremy Renner made $15million for the same film - so for the money paid to Hawkeye, they could've nearly acquired the entire stable of Marvel.
Originally posted by Booya_69Also this is just false
Only a handful of ppl tuned to watch the Justice League animated series(2000's) while EVERYBODY watched the xmen and spiderman series of the 90's.
For instance:
The series premiere on November 17, 2001, set a Cartoon Network record with over 4.114 million viewers. This made it the channel's highest rated premiere ever, a record it would keep until September 13, 2009, when the world premiere of Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins gathered over 6.108 million viewers.