Originally posted by ODG
IMHO, Starship Hulk was an amped version of Savage Hulk.He had Banner's mind (which has happened several times throughout Savage Hulk's career) but more importantly, he had the additional plot device of D'spayre implanting power from the Green Door in his mind.
Did Starship Hulk ever go full Titan-mode when he fought Odinforce Thor? Not fully, I guess. But there is one panel where his face starts to resemble Titan's face so it's entirely possible, arguably probable, that Starship Hulk was tapping into that power unconsciously.
While gamma projection is not an entirely foreign concept to Hulk in his various forms, the level displayed during Banner of War was far beyond what Savage Hulk has previously done.
Titan didn't show up until Hulk went FULL power, level 10 which is the reason he wanted to take over and move Banner out of the way. There's even a panel where Titan push Banner out of the way and take HULKS power to the maximum by increasing the controls. So anything that took place from 1 - 10 was all Hulk. Titan needed Hulk to go full power so that he can take control. Wasn't the other way around
Originally posted by carver9I don't recall Hulk being unable to tap into the Titan power until after level 10. Hulk was clearly not at level 10 when he massacred the El Paso civilians. Anyway, he looks too much like Titan here to dismiss:
Titan didn't show up until Hulk went FULL power, level 10 which is the reason he wanted to take over and move Banner out of the way. There's even a panel where Titan push Banner out of the way and take HULKS power to the maximum by increasing the controls. So anything that took place from 1 - 10 was all Hulk. Titan needed Hulk to go full power so that he can take control. Wasn't the other way around
Originally posted by ODG
I don't recall Hulk being unable to tap into the Titan power until after level 10. Hulk was clearly not at level 10 when he massacred the El Paso civilians. Anyway, he looks too much like Titan here to dismiss:
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What I'm mentioning is, Hulk power was being used through all of this. Titan needed Hulk power and was only able to tap into more power after he reach level 10. Bruce Banner confirms this and Titan himself confirms this before cranking the engine up to level 10.
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All in all, Hulk wasn't amped. Anything that took place after Titan appeared, I'll give that to you. Also, didn't issue 14 confirm Hulk is>>>>>Titan anyways?
^ Hulk's power is triggered by rage. Whether the Titan "amp" fed him supernatural Green Door energy or just made his rage more uncontrollable, you cannot dispute that Starship Hulk had access to it at all times.
You can argue Thanos w/ IG didn't utilize the full power of the Infinity Gems during all his fights but he was wearing it, even when he explicitly limited himself. So arguing that certain feats were Thanos and him alone is hardly reliable.
Savage Hulk has plenty of feats on his own. And the ones you're trying to rely on like Starship Hulk's focused eyebeams are an outlier not shared by Savage Hulk's feat history.
Savage Hulk + Banner showed that they could overcome the Titan form by their combined willpower. It's fallacious to argue that Savage Hulk was physically superior to Titan just because Titan was defeated in the mindscape. You cannot equate Kluh w/ Savage Hulk. Similarly, you should not equate Starship Hulk w/ Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Hulk's power is triggered by rage. Whether the Titan "amp" fed him supernatural Green Door energy or just made his rage more uncontrollable, you cannot dispute that Starship Hulk had access to it at all times.You can argue Thanos w/ IG didn't utilize the full power of the Infinity Gems during all his fights but he was wearing it, even when he explicitly limited himself. So arguing that certain feats were Thanos and him alone is hardly reliable.
Savage Hulk has plenty of feats on his own. And the ones you're trying to rely on like Starship Hulk's focused eyebeams are an outlier not shared by Savage Hulk's feat history.
Savage Hulk + Banner showed that they could overcome the Titan form by their combined willpower. It's fallacious to argue that Savage Hulk was physically superior to Titan just because Titan was defeated in the mindscape. You cannot equate Kluh w/ Savage Hulk. Similarly, you should not equate Starship Hulk w/ Savage Hulk.
You're missing the part where Titan is asking for more POWER. Titan even mentions in the last issue that he took all the power he needed from Hulk (Savage Hulk). The Hulk that I keep referencing is a non-holding back Hulk just like Bruce mentioned...
Just a Hulk going all out. Every time Titan was near, Bruce knew about it. Titan didn't just take over without Bruce knowing it wouldn't happen.
Also, the Starship is just a way of controlling Hulks power, holding him back. It's also a bomb that is meant to kill him if he got outta hand. Nothing more, nothing less. The fts sticks. 1. Titan used Hulks power to get as strong as he did and amped further after that. 2. The eye beam was all Hulk, done at a non-holding back level. 3. When Titan appeared, Bruce knew about it. Titan can only take control while being in the seat controlling Hulks power. Yes, he did control him once before in El Paso but that was before Bruce took control. Every time after that, Titan needed to get Bruce out of the driver seat (starship) and control the levels of power. Did that twice, that's it.
