Nam-Ek runs the MCU Gauntlet

Originally posted by FrothByte
My stance previously was that while Kryptonians could move at super speed, they could only do so in quick bursts and while utilizing simple actions. That's because that was what what shown in MOS.

No continuous use of superspeed, no complex actions done at superspeed. It was mostly relegated to bullrushing.

That changed in Justice League when Superman was playing tag with Flash, but then again that was just Superman and there's been a lot of talk that Superman seemed to have gotten a powerboost in JL. We can't apply the same feats to the rest of the Kryptonians seeing as Kal-el was able to fully absorb the sun's powers for many years whereas Nam-ek couldn't fly or even remove his mask on Earth.

I haven't watched The Flash yet so I'm unsure just how much true "superspeed" the Kryptonians display in that movie.

And that was all reasonable. We cant just go all h1a8 and assume things, because 1)as weve seen with h1a8 without direct quotes, directors intention is very subjective and 2)its difficult to debate based on assumptions unless all debaters can agree on said assumptions.

We need the rule of On Screen Feats to have a baseline for versus forum debates.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except all Kryptonians have the same powers, so it made no sense for one to have super speed, while the others did not. Anyway, this argument has been laid to rest by The Flash. Now we know that even unnamed Kryptonian grunts are fast enough to hit Barry.

Well they did not, as they could not all fly and they had a mask weakness. It clearly took time to develop their full power set.

But yes, Flash changes a lot.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well they did not, as they could not all fly and they had a mask weakness. It clearly took time to develop their full power set.

But yes, Flash changes a lot.

The mask blocked their senses, flight and heat vision, but the sun gave them their super strength and speed as demonstrated by Faora's speed.

But as you said, the Flash has put away all that, so whatever.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's a very high feat for Batman. Nam-Ek still gets all of his MoS feats, so he scales off Superman.

Dont think that's how this works. Even in MOS, bullets were impacting him. You all overrated TF outta him.

The bat-bombs were a ridiculous outlier, as we've seen Nam-Ek take direct punches from Superman and not be KO'd

Stopped at Groot because

"I am Groot" - Groot.

In case you are wondering that translates as "I beat Namek in a fight" He says it several times and so is canon.

#TrueFacts

Originally posted by Robtard
The bat-bombs were a ridiculous outlier, as we've seen Nam-Ek take direct punches from Superman and not be KO'd

I think the issue is hitting him in the first place despite Kryptionian speed.

The bombs were Bat bombs, so that explains that.

Originally posted by carver9
Dont think that's how this works. Even in MOS, bullets were impacting him. You all overrated TF outta him.

The bullets didn't hurt him. They best you can say is that machine gun fire from a jet pushed him back one time, but that didn't cause any physical damage. He took punches from Superman and a giant train composition explosion without any damage. He took missile fire from jets and the Batwing in both movies and he didn't suffer any damage. You may as well argue that Hulk was hurt by bullets in Avengers because he he put his hand in front of his face when the jet was firing at him.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The bullets didn't hurt him. They best you can say is that machine gun fire from a jet pushed him back one time, but that didn't cause any physical damage. He took punches from Superman and a giant train composition explosion without any damage. He took missile fire from jets and the Batwing in both movies and he didn't suffer any damage. You may as well argue that Hulk was hurt by bullets in Avengers because he he put his hand in front of his face when the jet was firing at him.

So him screaming out in pain doesn't dictate "pain"/hurt? I learn something new every day.

The Hulk and Namek scenes are completely different. Nice try though

Nam-Ek did a minor groan when the A-10's 30mm gatling gun sent him flying back, he was no worse for wear though.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The bullets didn't hurt him. They best you can say is that machine gun fire from a jet pushed him back one time, but that didn't cause any physical damage. He took punches from Superman and a giant train composition explosion without any damage. He took missile fire from jets and the Batwing in both movies and he didn't suffer any damage. You may as well argue that Hulk was hurt by bullets in Avengers because he he put his hand in front of his face when the jet was firing at him.

To be fair, Hulk putting his hand up to cover himself from jet fire but still retaining his footing IS a better durability feet than Nam-ek getting knocked down by jet fire.

I'm not saying Hulk can beat Nam-ek, just pointing out that these two feats aren't equal.

Nam-ek's main advantage over Hulk is speed, not durability.

What's Hulk weigh, 1200-1400 pounds? Stands to reason he's far less likely to get sent flying from a 20mm gun than 400ish pound Nam-ek is to be sent flying from a 30mm gun

The A-10's gun is an anti-ground weapon and it's designed to take out tanks. The F-22's gun isn't.

Not that the A10's gun would hurt the Hulk either. But he has a massive weight advantage when it comes to being tossed.

I agree with the flight Park I think it's Superman hadn't shown that he could fly God wouldn't have even known he could

Here's the scene. Please listen to Nam screaming. Causing physical external damage does not equal not being hurt. Thor lightning sent Hulk flying in their fight but I would be looney to say it did nothing to Hulk due to having no external damage.

https://youtu.be/Md2B3M8S_sY

He was on the ground for a bit too. I just want you to listen to the scream.

Originally posted by Robtard
What's Hulk weigh, 1200-1400 pounds? Stands to reason he's far less likely to get sent flying from a 20mm gun than 400ish pound Nam-ek is to be sent flying from a 30mm gun

The A-10's gun is an anti-ground weapon and it's designed to take out tanks. The F-22's gun isn't.

Not that the A10's gun would hurt the Hulk either. But he has a massive weight advantage when it comes to being tossed.

Was about to say something along the lines of weight and weapons but this seems legit

Originally posted by carver9
Here's the scene. Please listen to Nam screaming. Causing physical external damage does not equal not being hurt. Thor lightning sent Hulk flying in their fight but I would be looney to say it did nothing to Hulk due to having no external damage.

https://youtu.be/Md2B3M8S_sY

He was on the ground for a bit too. I just want you to listen to the scream.

Happens at 1:06 marker and you're acting like he was screaming to high heaven. Just isn't so.

At 3:45 he takes a direct hit from Superman's heatvisiion, knocks him back a bit, but he's visibly no worse for it.

Would you argue that A-10 gatling gun > Kryptonian heatvision?

Originally posted by Robtard
What's Hulk weigh, 1200-1400 pounds? Stands to reason he's far less likely to get sent flying from a 20mm gun than 400ish pound Nam-ek is to be sent flying from a 30mm gun

The A-10's gun is an anti-ground weapon and it's designed to take out tanks. The F-22's gun isn't.

Not that the A10's gun would hurt the Hulk either. But he has a massive weight advantage when it comes to being tossed.

Considering Nam-ek is 8 feet tall and has some hefty armor, I'd say he's probably closer to 600 pounds.

That said, I don't know enough about guns to compute the difference in firepower between the two scenes. My only point was that we can't quite equate them.

Weight doesn't really seem to matter that much in superhero physics, otherwise Hulk should never have been able to stop the leviathan with a punch and Thor shouldn't be able to send Hulk flying with a hammer hit and Luke Cage shouldn't be able to just shoulder block an SUV.

Originally posted by Robtard
Happens at 1:06 marker and you're acting like he was screaming to high heaven. Just isn't so.

At 3:45 he takes a direct hit from Superman's heatvisiion, knocks him back a bit, but he's visibly no worse for it.

Would you argue that A-10 gatling gun > Kryptonian heatvision?

I'm saying he didn't TANK it, and looking at everything that happened (him flying off, him screaming) is enough proof imo. Add that too Batman hurting him with some grenades, Spiderman annihilates him after a good fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Considering Nam-ek is 8 feet tall and has some hefty armor, I'd say he's probably closer to 600 pounds.

That said, I don't know enough about guns to compute the difference in firepower between the two scenes. My only point was that we can't quite equate them.

Weight doesn't really seem to matter that much in superhero physics, otherwise Hulk should never have been able to stop the leviathan with a punch and Thor shouldn't be able to send Hulk flying with a hammer hit and Luke Cage shouldn't be able to just shoulder block an SUV.

Fair enough on the armor adding weight 👆

The 30mm Nam-Ek took is a much more powerful, it's designed to obliterate armored ground vehicles, punching through them and killing the occupants inside. The gun the Hulk took is designed to punch through unarmed jets and such. Not that it's weak, being a 20mm gun.

Kinda does when we're applying it to something in real life we can measure.

Also should be noted that Kryptonian armor is ridiculously durable, able to withstand hits from powered up Kryptonians, even the full 'glass' face mask is uber. Not sure it's that standard or if it somehow got some kind of amp being on Earth.

Originally posted by Robtard
Happens at 1:06 marker and you're acting like he was screaming to high heaven. Just isn't so.

At 3:45 he takes a direct hit from Superman's heatvisiion, knocks him back a bit, but he's visibly no worse for it.

Would you argue that A-10 gatling gun > Kryptonian heatvision?

Batman armor withstood an ongoing blast from Superman heat vision when he fought the JLA. 😕

Yes I would argue that since again, Batman withstood an ongoing blast of heat vision from a a pissed Superman when he was taking on the JLA.

Originally posted by carver9
So him screaming out in pain doesn't dictate "pain"/hurt? I learn something new every day.

The Hulk and Namek scenes are completely different. Nice try though

Groaning isn't the same as screaming.

Originally posted by FrothByte
To be fair, Hulk putting his hand up to cover himself from jet fire but still retaining his footing IS a better durability feet than Nam-ek getting knocked down by jet fire.

I'm not saying Hulk can beat Nam-ek, just pointing out that these two feats aren't equal.

Nam-ek's main advantage over Hulk is speed, not durability.

This wasn't a durability test. Nam-Ek wasn't damaged, he was just pushed back and unless we're going to argue that those bullets hurt Nam-Ek more than Superman's punches, this is a pointless discussion.