Originally posted by Robtard
Steppenwolf handled the Justice League fairly easy until Superman showed up. Hulk could not do that.
Maybe, but Superman also took out Stepp with a single punch. And so far, all feats point to Hulk having a stronger punch than Superman. At the very least around the same ballpark.
Originally posted by Robtard
Steppenwolf handled the Justice League fairly easy until Superman showed up. Hulk could not do that.
Diana was lowballed in that movie in my opinion and the league without Supes looked,,,,underwhelming to say the least. I honestly feel the Hulk could have taken them out as they were portrayed.
Originally posted by FrothByteYou know the only punch you are referencing is the Leviathan punch. I proved long ago that punch was under 200 tons of force.
Maybe, but Superman also took out Stepp with a single punch. And so far, all feats point to Hulk having a stronger punch than Superman. At the very least around the same ballpark.
Originally posted by h1a8
You know the only punch you are referencing is the Leviathan punch. I proved long ago that punch was under 200 tons of force.
The actual punch did almost nothing to stopping the momentum. Hulk basically braced the entire distance through the concrete in slowing it down. 0.1% of the feat was the initial punch. 99.9% of the rest of the feat was Hulk bracing through the concrete (being pushed back and continuing to stiff arm). All of Hulk's other punches should be the ones looked at.
You didn't prove anything, you just made up a bunch of numbers that nobody in this forum accepted. And in the end, you couldn't give a single punching feat from Superman that compared to the leviathan punch
Originally posted by Psychotron
Can Hulk dominate Wonder Woman and Aquaman at the same time? No. In fact, one could easily make the argument that Diana solos Hulk due to her speed + a sword that can cut Doomsday.
You mean the speed that she never used against Steppenwolf?
If WW and Aquaman fight Hulk as stupidly as they fought Stepp then yeah, Hulk should win.
If they actually fought like they should, then they would win. But then again, they should have won against Stepp as well.
Originally posted by riv6672
If one wanted to make a one sided argument that gave WW every advantage while ignoring everything the Hulk can do yeah, that would be a pretty easy argument to make.Good catch. 👆
And what can Hulk do to counter Diana's speed?
Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean the speed that she never used against Steppenwolf?If WW and Aquaman fight Hulk as stupidly as they fought Stepp then yeah, Hulk should win.
If they actually fought like they should, then they would win. But then again, they should have won against Stepp as well.
What's the proof that Wonder Woman never used her speed, exactly? If Steppenwolf kept up with a confirmed bullet timer like Diana, that just means he's fast himself. In fact, Wonder Woman's speed was showcased at the start of the movie, so we know she's that fast. You always do this weird reverse feat argument where characters with super speed have to explicitly show it with some kind of visual effect in every single fight or they don't have it. It's very disingenuous.
Originally posted by Psychotron
And what can Hulk do to counter Diana's speed?What's the proof that Wonder Woman never used her speed, exactly? If Steppenwolf kept up with a confirmed bullet timer like Diana, that just means he's fast himself. In fact, Wonder Woman's speed was showcased at the start of the movie, so we know she's that fast. You always do this weird reverse feat argument where characters with super speed have to explicitly show it with some kind of visual effect in every single fight or they don't have it. It's very disingenuous.
Because Stepp, WW and Aquaman were all moving at similar speeds. So too were the Parademons around them. For your argument to work, it would mean that Stepp, Aquaman and the Parademons would need to all have been as fast as WW.
Do you really believe that to be true?
Originally posted by Psychotron
What's the proof that Wonder Woman never used her speed, exactly? If Steppenwolf kept up with a confirmed bullet timer like Diana, that just means he's fast himself. In fact, Wonder Woman's speed was showcased at the start of the movie, so we know she's that fast. You always do this weird reverse feat argument where characters with super speed have to explicitly show it with some kind of visual effect in every single fight or they don't have it. It's very disingenuous.
He's always been kind of an idiot that way. He would never claim that Hulk wasn't using all of his strength against Thor just because he didn't send him flying for miles or cause a shockwave that leveled buildings. It's always speed.
It's also particularly idiotic in this case because Steppenwolf has speed feats. He easily catches a missile after it is fired by the Batmobile and casually deflects an arrow fired by Hippolyta, who as we see can fire arrows that travel so fast and far they cross literal miles.
Originally posted by NemeBro
He's always been kind of an idiot that way. He would never claim that Hulk wasn't using all of his strength against Thor just because he didn't send him flying for miles or cause a shockwave that leveled buildings. It's always speed.It's also particularly idiotic in this case because Steppenwolf has speed feats. He easily catches a missile after it is fired by the Batmobile and casually deflects an arrow fired by Hippolyta, who as we see can fire arrows that travel so fast and far they cross literal miles.
Not a fair comparison. We KNOW Thor has super strength, he's displayed it multiple times. So it's a logical conclusion that Hulk was using his strength against Thor because both of them had super strength.
In comparison, there's no proof that Steppenwolf had super speed, not at Diana's level anyway.
Had the fight only been between Steppenwolf and Diana then I would agree the logical conclusion was that Steppenwolf had superspeed like Diana. But the fight was against Diana AND Aquaman. So are we to assume that Aquaman also has superspeed? And what about the Amazons that Steppenwolf was running after. Were they moving at superspeed too? And how about the parademons that later on attacked Steppenwolf, did they have superspeed too? And does that mean Batman also had super speed since he was matching up against a Parademon?
See how questionable the whole super speed schtick becomes?