The fastest flight speed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nothing to indicate it was metaphorical or figurative.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not the only time he has flown across the universe either.

If little Abhi was a fast sprinter when he was a kid he might've been called "as fast as lightning," multiple times. But that doesn't imply that he was breaking world records.

Originally posted by h1a8
Questionable interpretation? How?
If that's true then so is Gladiator's. "Blink of an eye" is a figure of speech and can mean any amount of time from a human blink to several minutes. It goes both ways.

Originally posted by h1a8
Tbh Azrael's feat is somewhat questionable too (I can be mistaken though). He could have been traveling for an unknown amount of time before he made the statement. We only see him AFTER he began his journey to Mars (somewhere between) and not at the start. Plus he states, " another nanosecond" which could mean other nanoseconds have already passed.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not sure if any feat (unless it states speed or both distance and time) isn't somewhat questionable.

A rule of thumb I go by is that if it takes more effort to discredit a claim than it does to defend it then it's admissible. If the converse applies then it's inadmissible.

Originally posted by carver9
What's the issue number?

I tried to look up where the argument came from, and I found this Comicvine thread where it seems to bring up a picture (the image is dead) of an interview or social media post where the author allegedly said that Superman flied from the end of the universe back to earth.

So this is a worse case than I thought it was.

That's the same comic where Brainiac sent him through a portal. Let me find it.

These feats are ridiculous. With this kinda speed they should be untouchable.

Originally posted by h1a8
But i don't see in the 2nd panel where he BEGINS his flight to Mars. Like I said, I can be wrong. It looks as if he already started his flight (he's in mid-flight) when he makes his statement. Now don't get me wrong, it could've taken 2 nanoseconds (which is still Hella impressive). I just cant see where he begins his flight from the art while making his statement. It seems he made his statement AFTER he took off.
Plus he says, "Nothing doing on Earth or Pluto" while in flight and before saying "oh well, another nanosecond...."
Usually in speech, we would say "another second, minute, etc" to mean some time has already elasped. The word "another" indicates additional.

You can see this function of the wings very clearly represented here:
https://ibb.co/rc10JZM
Azrael just disappears(ie. flies to) to the Sirius system and back, in the middle of Sister Dumas' monologue. He moves so fast that it almost comes off as teleportation, but as multiple panels showcase, he is flying: hence the reason why he has wings.

So as mentioned, the stated timeframe is logically just in reference to Azrael's flight time between planets. For context: Azrael was upset that there were no villains to fight on Pluto, but that was okay because in "another nanosecond" he'd already be on Mars to see if any criminals needed to be dealt with there.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
These feats are ridiculous. With this kinda speed they should be untouchable.

One thing I noticed when reading through old Avengers and Defenders titles was the incessant need to have a random plot device to get the characters to where they were going. Like... Doctor Strange would show up for one panel and the Avengers would thank him for teleporting them to the destination they wanted. This happened so much I was getting deja vu.

But getting characters to where they need to go is a logistical problem that authors had to deal with. I think they just got tired of it. So they started making stuff like Fantasticars, Quinjets and giving other characters teleportation abilities.

But if it's just one character and they can fly. Just give them travelling superspeed. Who cares if they break relativity? If it doesn't ruin the plot, so be it.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
These feats are ridiculous. With this kinda speed they should be untouchable.

To me, consistency is more important, and we do occasionally see Gladiator struggle with characters that are not particularly fast more often than we get feats like these.

While I do consider them roughly equal I would probably put my money on Superman over Gladiator because Gladiator's power varies with his confidence whereas Superman's powers are permanent.

That said, if Gladiator frequently had feats like this and no real anti-feats then I'd think of him as a souped-up Superman.

Originally posted by Galan007
You can see this function of the wings very clearly represented here:
https://ibb.co/rc10JZM
Azrael just disappears(ie. flies to) to the Sirius system and back, in the middle of Sister Dumas' monologue. He moves so fast that it almost comes off as teleportation, but as multiple panels showcase, he is flying: hence the reason why he has wings.

the sirius system is 8.6 light years from earth (so a 17 light year round trip) and azrael flew that in the time it took the woman to say his name.

^ "Speed of thought" strikes again.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
surprised you didnt post this feat for him first.

the sirius system is 8.6 light years from earth (so a 17 light year round trip) and azrael flew that in the time it took the woman to say his name.

But yes, it is also a great speed feat.

Originally posted by carver9
The scene literally states he crossed GALAXIES. I know you have a hard time with words, but GalaxIES mean more than one. I lowballed the ft and just used ONE Galaxy.

Why are you so stupid?

Originally posted by Astner
There's nothing to indicate it was literal either.

Yes, that's what the comic says and the writer confirmed it too.

You're arguing on bad faith.

The repetition of a figurative phrase doesn't make it literal.

Of course it does.

If little Abhi was a fast sprinter when he was a kid he might've been called "as fast as lightning," multiple times. But that doesn't imply that he was breaking world records.

Again, inserting your own bias into the comics, literal bad faith argument.

It's just not a throwaway statement. There's an in-depth explanation of that Gladiator has to cross this distance in the time it takers Heimdall to blink.

They actually show Superman Crossing the galaxies in Superman up in the sky.

Which galaxy did Gladiator cross? By your logic, it is not literal but just figurative because you can't show the galaxies he crossed.

I think Galan007 covered this, so I'm not going to repeat what he said.

It's not about whether it you can question it, it's whether or not you can reasonably question it.

A rule of thumb I go by is that if it takes more effort to discredit a claim than it does to defend it then it's admissible. If the converse applies then it's inadmissible.

It's from Superman: Doomed (2015) #5 but rereading it I see no mention of the distance he flew.

I tried to look up where the argument came from, and I found this Comicvine thread where it seems to bring up a picture (the image is dead) of an interview or social media post where the author allegedly said that Superman flied from the end of the universe back to earth.

So this is a worse case than I thought it was.

Like I said, bad faith arguments are just that.

It was repeatedly stated that he left Brainiac at the end of the universe.

Here's the interview of Greg Pak where he confirms Superman was at the end of the universe.

https://www.cbr.com/pak-takes-action-comics-to-horrorville-discusses-supermans-joker/

I can question Gladiator's feat in the same way, show me the galaxies Gladiator crossed and the time period of blink of an eye.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not a high-end absolutist. I wouldn't argue that Gladiator is a trillion times faster than Superman (and that a fight between them would play out like a fight between the Flash and a bank robber) just because Gladiator has this one feat and Superman doesn't have anything that's directly comparable.

To me, consistency is more important, and we do occasionally see Gladiator struggle with characters that are not particularly fast more often than we get feats like these.

While I do consider them roughly equal I would probably put my money on Superman over Gladiator because Gladiator's power varies with his confidence whereas Superman's powers are permanent.

That said, if Gladiator frequently had feats like this and no real anti-feats then I'd think of him as a souped-up Superman.

The comics repeatedly state that Superman was at the end of the universe, writer confirmed it but Astner knows otherwise lol.

Eradicator flying from the literal edge of the universe to Earth in moments is pretty much as good as possible other than pre crisis Superman.

Supergirl and Comet racing to the end of the universe and into Overvoid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl and Comet racing to the end of the universe and into Overvoid.

Also end of the universe, that pesky statement again.

Figured this thread would just be a lot of bickering about how much better Superman is than anybody else and it didnt disappoint.

Originally posted by tkitna
Figured this thread would just be a lot of bickering about how much better Superman is than anybody else and it didnt disappoint.

As opposed to what, dickriding Surfer and Gladiator like in the good old days?

Superman remains the lifeblood of KMC

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, galaxies can mean two galaxies as well which is the distance between Asgard and Shiar.

Why are you so stupid?

So we agree that he started at one Galaxy, blitzed through another Galaxy, and made it to Asgard which is created in another Galaxy?