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Originally posted by Stoic
Why would you say that? Darkest Knight jobbed harder than Firelord after he let Spiderman beat him into the shadow zone.
THIS! 👆
Darkest Knight jobbed. It was CIS. He had access to all that power, Dr Manhattans powerset and all of that siphoned crisis energy and yet he chose to engage Prime in simple fisticuffs.
Ultimately Prime got cancelled by the end of the battle and Darkest Knight moved on to his next battle.
Raven after absorbing the most powerful parts of all DC creation wouldve been more powerful than Darkest Knight
Originally posted by Juntai
Prime is tough to gauge because he just breaks the rules on a whim. lol.
Yet he retains limits and exploitable weaknesses.
He can be harmed by sufficient amounts of quantum energy as we saw in Countdown. Even with all of that Guardian energy he still got slept by that Monarch explosion. He wouldnt have access to that here.
He can be harmed by heat vision as we saw in Final Crisis Legion of 3 Worlds when Superboys heat vision was sufficient to sear Primes flesh and scar him.
We also saw in Shazam that Prime can be taken down by potent magical force. Unkindness by the end of Future State is the definition of potent.
Prime is fast and has one of the best strength feats in all of comics. Speed is the key. Prime wins.
With that said, Prime has been written to be immune to magic and also susceptible. Contradictory showings. But for the most part (the majority of the time) he has been shown immune (or nigh resistant). So we go with that over the contrary.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prime is fast and has one of the best strength feats in all of comics. Speed is the key. Prime wins.With that said, Prime has been written to be immune to magic and also susceptible. Contradictory showings. But for the most part (the majority of the time) he has been shown immune (or nigh resistant). So we go with that over the contrary.
But he sat there on a stone without an inkling of what to do until it presented itself, which he then flew into DK with his fists. If we were to use DK in a forum match vs Prime it would be a no contest as we would come to the realization that at any moment during the fight, DK had the power to place Prime in a never ending time loop.
There was a time in Primes history that he had no powers. DK could simply dial back the clock to the time and there would have been no fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prime is fast and has one of the best strength feats in all of comics. Speed is the key. Prime wins.With that said, Prime has been written to be immune to magic and also susceptible. Contradictory showings. But for the most part (the majority of the time) he has been shown immune (or nigh resistant). So we go with that over the contrary.
Not necessarily a contradiction at all. It just shows that Prime is magic resistant not immune. With sufficient magical force his resistance can be overcome as demonstrated by the required double attack from BA and Shazam
Originally posted by GalacticStormLet me just say this. Those times either had Prime tanking magical forces significantly more powerful than the ones he got hurt from (contradictory) or they were they exact same attacks he was shown immune (not phased) from as he was hurt from (contradictory).
Not necessarily a contradiction at all. It just shows that Prime is magic resistant not immune. With sufficient magical force his resistance can be overcome as demonstrated by the required double attack from BA and Shazam
I don't mind Prime being nigh resistant vs immune (I don't do no limit fallacies anyway). But to say that it will take the lesser amount in a forum to hurt him when he was shown resistant to higher amounts is silly.
My take is: a forum character is only resistant to what the highest they've been shown to resist in comics. Therefore, if said character face a character that can exert greater then said character will be significantly affected by that character in a forum fight.
Originally posted by Diesldude
This is Prime when he was toying with batmanhatten high off of crises energy and was greater than perpetua.
By all intents and purposes said Prime ended up expired as he bit more than he could chew.
Was a good showing from him but ultimately thats besides the point when he got cancelled.
Correct me if im wrong but wouldnt Unkindness be on a greater level than Perpetua or Darkest Knight having absorbed all of DC, more than just the multiverse that Perpetua was responsible for?
Originally posted by GalacticStormnope he had DK on his knees begging for mercy.
By all intents and purposes said Prime ended up expired as he bit more than he could chew.Was a good showing from him but ultimately thats besides the point when he got cancelled.
Correct me if im wrong but wouldnt Unkindness be on a greater level than Perpetua or Darkest Knight having absorbed all of DC, more than just the multiverse that Perpetua was responsible for?
Prime left it with the heroes knowing they will win and went back to his universe also in his view he’s in a comic and just a story. He was alive at the end, that was a show to salvage his rep with the dc universe heroes.
All those characters you mentioned are characters in the comics to prime, even the presence. So what if Raven exceeded the presence or mxy or whoever else, prime is still >>>.
Originally posted by Diesldude
nope he had DK on his knees begging for mercy.Prime left it with the heroes knowing they will win and went back to his universe also in his view he’s in a comic and just a story. He was alive at the end, that was a show to salvage his rep with the dc universe heroes.
All those characters you mentioned are characters in the comics to prime, even the presence. So what if Raven exceeded the presence or mxy or whoever else, prime is still >>>.
It was overtly implied that Prime was killed following his clash with Darkest Knight.
He was a battered pile on the floor in the mainstream reality whilst his consciousness/soul or whatever was portrayed to be back in his home reality.
Mainstream DC being comic book characters from his reality's perspective is not proof he is greater than the likes of the Presence and high level cosmics when despite all of that Primes reality itself is still acknowledged to be one of the many universes within DC creation and therefore derivative from the Presence and subject to his will.
The mad thing is, you say crazy things like Prime is greater than the Presence, yet accuse me of fanboy behaviour? 😱
Regardless of whether you agree with my perspectives or not, they never fail to be backed by evidence explicitly stating the points im making.
And where my opponents make valid, well evidenced points, i acknowledge and accept them. Only gotta look at this forums 1st page to see Juntai make me realise i was looking at things from the wrong perspective in the Raven vs Phoenix thread, or the Phoenix vs Hal thread I stated without hesitation that Spectre beats Jean Phoenix.
There's a difference between someone having perspectives you don't agree with and fanboyism.
You would never get me saying Phoenix is greater than TOAA 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The mad thing is, you say crazy things like Prime is greater than the Presence, yet accuse me of fanboy behaviour? 😱Regardless of whether you agree with my perspectives or not, they never fail to be backed by evidence explicitly stating the points im making.
And where my opponents make valid, well evidenced points, i acknowledge and accept them. Only gotta look at this forums 1st page to see Juntai make me realise i was looking at things from the wrong perspective in the Raven vs Phoenix thread, or the Phoenix vs Hal thread I stated without hesitation that Spectre beats Jean Phoenix.
There's a difference between someone having perspectives you don't agree with and fanboyism.
You would never get me saying Phoenix is greater than TOAA 😬
Didn’t you compare your favorite character to the source though?
I’m just going by Prime’s last appearance. DC characters are nothing but comics book characters to him. He knows this, practically said it.
Darkest Knight with Manhattan’s powers plus amped by crises energy was beating up on perpetua and he was an insect to prime.
Dr.Manhattan is was considered a supreme being level, there were other Batman’s with manhattan’s power but they were still below darkest knight. That shows you how powerful DK was.