Originally posted by riv6672
Because the Punisher operates on a different, one might even say, comic book-y level than Robert.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Frank has better damage soak and strength to make up for any skill gap that MIGHT exist.What makes you say that?
I disagree with his damage soak. DD is a soft hitter on average. He has no ko power most of the time.
He's not that much stronger, imo. Especially at striking. Not that strength will play a role here.
Plus we are talking about random things lying around. Robert can make many things potent weapons.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with his damage soak. DD is a soft hitter on average. He has no ko power most of the time.He's not that much stronger, imo. Especially at striking. Not that strength will play a role here.
Plus we are talking about random things lying around. Robert can make many things potent weapons.
He was shot and was still fighting. He didn't just fight SD, he fought Kingpin too
He was hurting DD through his armoured helmet.
And I suppose Punisher can't?
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with his damage soak. DD is a soft hitter on average. He has no ko power most of the time.He's not that much stronger, imo. Especially at striking. Not that strength will play a role here.
Plus we are talking about random things lying around. Robert can make many things potent weapons.
Here is Punisher against a gang of thugs, all of whom are armed with potent weapons. Note he is even stabbed through the arm at the start of the fight:
Spoiler: he wins.
As for DD being a soft hitter, here he kicked Frank off a roof, he smacks a roof edge on the way down, then hits the floor. He just gets up and continues to fight DD:
He gets shot through the arm:
Then gets up IMMEDIATELY and keeps fighting:
Note how he uses the same shot arm to block DD's punches.
Then uses the same arm to carry DD (who is wearing body armour, whilst he is in street clothes) and throw him through a roof:
(this doubles as a strength feat - imagine carrying a grown man in full body armour whilst you have a shot bicep)
And of course, him getting punched repeatedly by Kingpin, no soft hitter himself:
YouTube video
Note that this beating from Kingpin takes place AFTER his prison fight, so he's nursing a stabbed arm here plus other injuries.
But by all means, showcase McCall's durability. His strengths are in preptime and traps etc, not in random brawling street fights which is what both rounds are here.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD is a soft hitter ON AVERAGE.
Being stabbed or shot has nothing to do with being koed or shot/stabbed in a vital area.
Kingpin sucked imo.
So nothing about McCall's durability. Thanks.
You move the goalposts now to talk about vital areas.
Your opinion means nothing to me, really.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see I have to walk you through things and spoon-feed you.So I said Punisher had better damage soak.
You disagree with that.
So either Robert has the same or greater than Punisher's damage soak.
So prove it. Simple.
I was referring to the type of damage soak relevant to this fight (being shot or stabbed in a vital area).
Being stabbed through non vital area is immaterial. Being hit by soft attacks is immaterial.
For the sake of argument. Let's say it is slightly more difficult to ko Frank vs Robert with the same punches to the face. Then yes Frank has better damage soak. But it's not by a lot since both are still typical humans.
Plus physics may be different from movie to movie (as explained by Last Action in hero). One movie a character has to punch a typical human a bunch of times to put them down (Van Damme movies and DD show). In others, the physics are closer to real life (1-3 good hits create a daze effect)