Illuminati vs Superman (DCEU)

Originally posted by tkitna
Not debating Superman is faster than everybody here, but Ikarus did snag Makkari by the throat. I just don't think it's an instant win for Supes.

How fast was Makkari when approaching Ikaris on the throat grab?
Bullet speed? All of her movements in battle appears bullet speed approximately.

WW is beyond Bullets speed so she should be able to do the same thing.

And don't argue that Ikaris was fast enough to grab her throat before she can respond. All speedsters (Spidey, flash, etc) have gotten tagged by non speedsters in fiction.
Doesn't make the non speedster anywhere close in speed.

Ikaris is faster than a human yes but is definitely equal or under bullet speed in combat.

Originally posted by tkitna
Not debating Superman is faster than everybody here, but Ikarus did snag Makkari by the throat. I just don't think it's an instant win for Supes.

I don't think Ikaris is going to be thinking about grabbing after a punch from Supes more like grasping for breath.

Clark no-sold Steppenwolf's axe, I'm hard-pressed to think Ikaris could even hurt him or at least hit him long enough to make any difference but I'm open to being convinced though.

Originally posted by h1a8
After a thousand of hits and dodging all his attacks.

How fast was Makkari when approaching Ikaris on the throat grab?
Bullet speed? All of her movements in battle appears bullet speed approximately.

WW is beyond Bullets speed so she should be able to do the same thing.

And don't argue that Ikaris was fast enough to grab her throat before she can respond. All speedsters (Spidey, flash, etc) have gotten tagged by non speedsters in fiction.
Doesn't make the non speedster anywhere close in speed.

Ikaris is faster than a human yes but is definitely equal or under bullet speed in combat.

I have no idea how fast she was going when he grabbed her. She was invisible to the eye at the time.

Also, you pretty much destroyed your own argument by saying that all speedsters have gotten tagged by non speedsters. Your right. Superman would be no different.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
That's exactly one of the reasons it's gonna be an instawin. Makkari showed that Ikaris wasn't that fast at all. Ikaris is going to be as completely still as a lake in this fight.

I don't think Ikaris is going to be thinking about grabbing after a punch from Supes more like grasping for breath.

Clark no-sold Steppenwolf's axe, I'm hard-pressed to think Ikaris could even hurt him or at least hit him long enough to make any difference but I'm open to being convinced though.

I agree that Makkari was working him for awhile, but he did grab her eventually. He is just a distraction anyways as he has no way of winning, but he's tough enough to withstand some hits as are some of the others. All of the characters here are just biding time for Strange anyways.

Can Superman win? Of course. Can the other team. Its possible. I just don't believe it would be an instant win for Supes no matter what.

Originally posted by tkitna
I agree that Makkari was working him for awhile, but he did grab her eventually. He is just a distraction anyways as he has no way of winning, but he's tough enough to withstand some hits as are some of the others. All of the characters here are just biding time for Strange anyways.

Can Superman win? Of course. Can the other team. Its possible. I just don't believe it would be an instant win for Supes no matter what.

Lemme take you back to the Clark vs JLA fight, who was the distraction? , was it Arthur or Cyborg or WW? He statued all of them and that was a Superman that wasn't even actively attacking them!
The only true distraction was Flash and He's a Speedster! And while Supes was "Distracted" none of the others were even aware, even WW with superspeed of her own, you know why? They were too busy being frozen.

Now you're telling me that while Supes blitzes Ikaris , Dr Strange with human reaction is going to have the time to cook up a spell that will oneshot Supes or something of the sort?

Quick question are we talking about the same Strange that fought gargantos lol?

^^^Thats a long winded way of saying ‘nuh uh, speed wins’.

I mean, that IS your entire argument. Be succinct.

Speed wins.

Uhuh.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Thats a long winded way of saying ‘nuh uh, speed wins’.

I mean, that IS your entire argument. Be succinct.

But if you think that's my entire argument then you haven't been paying attention.

But the main problem is that Clark is not a good fighter, and he doesn't stay in Metro man mode.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
But the main problem is that Clark is not a good fighter, and he doesn't stay in Metro man mode.

Does he need to, though? If we allow that he can statue them all, a mere finger flick would KO Strange, for example.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Here is what I don't get from you , Can you be a distraction when you're frozen?

Lemme take you back to the Clark vs JLA fight, who was the distraction? , was it Arthur or Cyborg or WW? He statued all of them and that was a Superman that wasn't even actively attacking them!
The only true distraction was Flash and He's a Speedster! And while Supes was "Distracted" none of the others were even aware, even WW with superspeed of her own, you know why? They were too busy being frozen.

Now you're telling me that while Supes blitzes Ikaris , Dr Strange with human reaction is going to have the time to cook up a spell that will oneshot Supes or something of the sort?

Quick question are we talking about the same Strange that fought gargantos lol?

A distraction is a character that can't be one shotted and will return to the battle (Ikarus) while others with range attacks take the offensive (Black Bolt, Strange).

I've never seen one speedster in a comic based movie not get tagged eventually. Again, Superman would be no different.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
A self created version of Marvel's Illuminati, using MCU characters. A representative for the Avengers, the mystical, the Atlanteans, the Inhumans, Wakanda, space affairs and the Eternals.

Iron Man (Bleeding Edge)
Dr. Strange
Namor
Black Bolt
Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Ikaris

vs

Superman

Who wins?

First nanosecond of the fight, Superman speeds and hits each of these guys in turn.

Iron Man: takes it
Dr Strange: dies
Namor: dies
Black Bolt: lmao

Yes, that is Black Bolt, vs some cops and their batons.
Panther: dies
Marvel: takes it
Ikaris: Potentially takes it?

So after the first nanosecond, the field is reduced to Iron Man, Captain Marvel and potentially Ikaris.

Second nanosecond: he repeats the punching. This goes on for about....1,000 nanoseconds? until the trio realise they're getting punched apart. Remember, one needs 1 MILLION nanoseconds, to equal 1 millisecond, so I am actually being very generous to Tony et al for their reactions. Or we can scale Superman down, and say he reacts in the region of microseconds? That would still give him the ability to be 1,000s of times faster.

Similar to this, really:
https://imgur.com/VOUQXs0

Only, I don't think Iron Man et al will have the chance to swing punches/fire missiles etc.

^ Isnt Black Bolts suit supposed to use his vocal energy in different ways like strength, speed, flight e.t.c.

Just saying because he wasnt wearing the suit against those cops and it did seem like he could fly with it on in Doctor Strange MoM.

Anyway, I don't really care, but we all need to remember the Inhumans TV show lol.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Isnt Black Bolts suit supposed to use his vocal energy in different ways like strength, speed, flight e.t.c.

Just saying because he wasnt wearing the suit against those cops and it did seem like he could fly with it on in Doctor Strange MoM.

Not quite true, witness this truly titanic display of super strength!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, I don't really care, but we all need to remember the Inhumans TV show lol.

Lol I actually did torture myself through the whole thing. But Anson Mount was good in the role. I mean, he did the best he could.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite true, witness this truly titanic display of super strength!!

😂

Nah he just knows his pressure points 😛

ARE YOU FOR REAL RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU WISH MORE MISERY UPON YOUR HOUSE???

Witness the Silent King's inhuman strength, as he bends an iron bar pipe! What can Superman do against such reckless hate????

How dare you guys ruin my breakfast with reminders of that travesty of a TV show. Thanks. Lol

Namor ain’t getting one shot either though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
ARE YOU FOR REAL RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU WISH MORE MISERY UPON YOUR HOUSE???

Witness the Silent King's inhuman strength, as he bends an iron bar pipe! What can Superman do against such reckless hate????

That is pretty strong. Impressive for a group who do nothing anywhere near as impressive as their comic book counterparts (outside Lockjaw).

Seriously it's like this was a cheap 90's Marvel show.

Originally posted by tkitna
Namor ain’t getting one shot either though.

True say.