Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The suit also probably has some medical properties. We already know that things like the Wakandan Kimoyo beads can be used for medical purposes, such as stabilising Everett Ross when he got shot in the spine. So, it stands to reason that the BP nano-tech suit, which is literally meant to be used in combat scenarios by their ruler, would incorporate similar technology.
Makes sense, but whatever healing their powers and suit give is obviously very limited next to Wolverine's healing ability given how Killmonger died.
Originally posted by Robtard
Better question would be does Logan have enough super-strength to stab though something as durable as vibranium.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Makes sense, but whatever healing their powers and suit give is obviously very limited next to Wolverine's healing ability given how Killmonger died.
Yeah, definitely nothing on par with characters like Wolverine or Deadpool, especially after their latest movie where they both just soaked up damage like nothing. But Shuri was able to survive impalement, so it's still nothing to scoff at, though I'm also guessing that she got lucky and didn't sustain any vital organ damage from it, unlike Killmonger.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, definitely nothing on par with characters like Wolverine or Deadpool, especially after their latest movie where they both just soaked up damage like nothing. But Shuri was able to survive impalement, so it's still nothing to scoff at, though I'm also guessing that she got lucky and didn't sustain any vital organ damage from it, unlike Killmonger.
It's possible Killmonger took extra damage since the mag-lev train area they were fighting in was so potent it was actively degrading the integrity of their suits to the point you could see flesh underneath. Imagine what that would do to a body empowered by the Heart-Shaped Herb which is infused with Vibranium.
Originally posted by KingD19
I'd say his strength showings over the years, and adding D&W would give him the ability to punch through it, especially since it's a cloth weave and not solid metal. The indestructibility+sharpness of his claws + his strength should let him push through the seams of the weave. Like in the movie when he muscled through that extremely thick and heavy vault door designed to hold back a matter/anti-matter reaction. And he yeeted Deadpool a few times. He physically fought with the Silver Samurai Bot. We can also scale him to X-24 who pushed that APC off of him and other stuff like that.
It's not like he didn't have super strength feats in previous movies
Pure feat wise
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
* Breaks free of medical restraints despite having been restrained across both his wrists, ankles, waist and chest, while also being underwater and just having finished his adamantium bonding process.
* Stopping the forward momentum of his motorcycle by stabbing into the ground
* Strikes the Browning machine gun mounted on a Humvee hard enough to make it spin around and hit a soldier hard enough to knock him off the vehicle and KO the soldier.
* Blocking Weapon XI's optic beams with his claws and deflecting them.
* And then without Adamantium he tosses Victor over his head and 10 feet with one hand.
The Wolverine
* Stabbing into a guy's hand and the table below him with an arriw
* Lifting and using a mountain/ off road bike as a melee weapon. Also stops another bike dragging him by stabbing the ground.
* Shattering the metal restraint on his hand by slamming it on the ground,
* Lifting and throwing the Silver Samurai suit which was heavy enough to punch a hole in a concrete wall by falling on it. He also tackled it through a couple metal railings.
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Without adamantium he:
* Overpowers Beast/Hank in human form
* Deflects metal projectiles thrown at him by Magneto
X-Men: Apocalypse
* Throws a Kevlar suited soldier into a metal pipe hard enough to break it
Logan
He's older and weaker but still snaps a shotgun in half
Scaling wise
X-Men 1
* Sending Mystique flying with a hit despite her blocking the same hit by grabbing his forearm with both hands
* Rocks Sabertooth with a kick when he's unfazed by being hit with a lightning bolt that blew him through a wall
* Reversing his momentum when Sabretooth lifted him over Sabe's head and threw him, by stabbing onto a metal spire
* Pins Sabretooth with leverage
X2
* Pins Lady Deathstryke with a hold before she reverses it, and then manages to move desoite her impaling him, having superior strength to him and leverage, and then stopping her charge cold
X-Men: The Last Stand
Powering through Phoenix Jean's TK twice
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
* Without adamantium he holds back Victor's hand, though with effemort amd Victor was not putting in much effort.
After adamantium
* Kicks Victor away hard enough to stagger him
* blocks his claw strike by impaling his hand with claws
* Knocks out Victor despite him tanking optic blasts and multi story floors
* Has Blob seeing stars with a leaping elbows after he dazed himself by headbutting Logan's adamantium skull
The Wolverine
* Blocks Silver Samurai's armor's sword strikes and holds it back with his claws despite those strikes being strong enough to shatter heavy machinery and the armor itself being heavy enough to shatter steel and concrete structures by falling in theme while also having strength to overpower him
Logan
He's much weaker than his prime but still
* Deflects X-24's claw strikes and blocks them with his own claws. He even holds those claws away from him while lying on the ground and X-24 having leverage advantage by standing over him.
* When X-24 throws him into an armored truck's door hard enough to break it cleanly off, Logan uses the same door to deflect X-24's charge and then pin him to the ground by the neck. X-24 had to cut the door away to be free.
And the many instances of him throwing people around.
Also, his bone claws can cut into brick, as shown just before the nuke scene in Wolverine. DOFP and Origins have him cut them into bones as well. So that itsskf should give the claws an extra oomph
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk[b]X-Men: The Last Stand
Powering through Phoenix Jean's TK twice[/B]
That was stupid though and should be ignored as a legit feat. Reason being is, he can't power through Magneto's TK, and Phoenix Jean's TK was > Magneto's control over metal.
So I'm gonna assume she was letting him get close enough to kill her.
Otherwise there was absolutely no reason she couldn't have given him the Cassandra Nova treatment.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was stupid though and should be ignored as a legit feat. Reason being is, he can't power through Magneto's TK, and Phoenix Jean's TK was > Magneto's control over metal.So I'm gonna assume she was letting him get close enough to kill her.
Otherwise there was absolutely no reason she couldn't have given him the Cassandra Nova treatment.
Well that goes for the finale one , what about the one where she kills Xavier?
Besides, Magneto always tried a crushing motion on Wolverine which she didn't. And he also lifted Logan off the ground, killing his leverage. At the end of the first X-Men movie, when Magneto didn't do that, Logan managed to stand hia ground
https://youtu.be/befZ7OKuTFc?si=88SfthxDA0fQnkNC
And Jean easily crushed him in the movie earlier when she wanted to, so it wasn't never shown to be behind her abilities.
https://youtu.be/e4_QUvz_-wE?si=XZeRY5kKydDi74Lp
Just that she focused on the disintegration more than the TK push, but he's still pushing through it.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Well that goes for the finale one , what about the one where she kills Xavier?Besides, Magneto always tried a crushing motion on Wolverine which she didn't. And he also lifted Logan off the ground, killing his leverage. At the end of the first X-Men movie, when Magneto didn't do that, Logan managed to stand hia ground
https://youtu.be/befZ7OKuTFc?si=88SfthxDA0fQnkNCAnd Jean easily crushed him in the movie earlier when she wanted to, so it wasn't never shown to be behind her abilities.
https://youtu.be/e4_QUvz_-wE?si=XZeRY5kKydDi74LpJust that she focused on the disintegration more than the TK push, but he's still pushing through it.
Okay but you agree she could completely control him if she wanted to the way Magneto always does? Probably more akin to the way Casandra Nova did right?
In which case it's very hard to quantify what force he was resisting, when she allowed him to resist.
But good point with the attack focused on Charles. But even in that one tobe fair his claws were helping him climb towards them.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay but you agree she could completely control him if she wanted to the way Magneto always does? Probably more akin to the way Casandra Nova did right?
In which case it's very hard to quantify what force he was resisting, when she allowed him to resist.
https://youtu.be/I404kms-j54?si=vicEgAyNGDdD2Uyk
Even with that, she was casually stopping scores of darts in a moment and pushing away buildings and cars without effort. A fraction of that while getting your flesh torn away is still impressive. Frankly, I consider the optic beam one equally PIS. Untill he pinned down the truck lifting X-24 in Logan, Wolverine hadn't done anything like that elsewhere.
Even with her allowing
But good point with the attack focused on Charles. But even in that one tobe fair his claws were helping him climb towards them.
https://youtu.be/AGu236vVT5E?si=_CObt_2YG-7xb20h
https://youtu.be/XeU6SJorcvw?si=GYUnbH4zgJ98AOoz
You can see a couch flying off to the roof as she starts throwing power around culminating in her lifting the entire house, pushing everyone onto the roof with nerfnaut struggling to keep his hold. And considering she telekinetically closed the doors, Logan still had to work against her TK to move even with claws and open the door.
In X3: Jean still had some control of her mind/body and was holding back the full might of the Phoenix force, why all of Logan's flesh was both not turned to ash instantly like the others and why he was able to push through. Jean wanted to die.
It's still impressive, but he's not more powerful than the Phoenix Force.