LOL! Donald Trump is going to the f*cking White House!

Originally posted by Robtard
And what does Trump represent exactly? Because he's a Republican, or what you just called "bad". Just far more incompetent and more shameless in the long standing Republican take-from-the-poor-to-feed-the-rich policy platform.

Elon (if he does it) starting a serious 3rd party isn't anything new either. Perot ran 3rd party and got 19% of the popular vote, that was seen as serious to both the Democrats and Republicans.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm still in favor of what Trump represents. He's a disruption to a system everyone has known for decades was broken but was content to cross their fingers and hope everyone suddenly decides to stop acting like an *******. He's been a wake up call in a lot of repects. He still does all kinds of stuff I disagree with, but the other politicians did too. It's just that they supported each other's efforts on the downlow by acknowledging only one other option. Trump has brought the idea of telling entrenched politicians to go to Hell in regards to the "safe" talking points they prefer go drone on endlessly about, and I do think that's a good thing. If there's a problem, it's existed for a long time, this way there's finally a conversation being had about it. Have you ever seen that movie Brewsters Millions? Trump is my "None of the Above" vote.

Perot wasn't Elon, but even after his showing both Dems and Rep shifted on a couple of issues. That's what they do when lots of 3rd party energy starts building in the populace to make people feel like the parties are trying to move in a better direction. What's more, there's a good chance Elon won't run himself because no one in congress will actually change the law about non natural citizens running for President when they know it'd be to support Elon running in a 3rd party. That means he'll chose someone else to run, and will likely keep the party going just to spite folks even beyond the first election.

Trump's not disrupting the system, he's part of it, he's a Republican who is making the wealth gap in America even greater with more tax cuts to the wealthiest people while making the working/middle-class pay for it. Reagan did the same.

He was supposed to be the anti-war anti-interventionist, anti-Middle East meddler, and how did that work out? He tried to start a war with Iran.

Republicans move to block Democratic effort to force release of Epstein files

White House has come under fire for not releasing documents related to late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

Republican lawmakers have moved to block a Democratic effort to force the release of the so-called Epstein files, a near-mythological trove of undisclosed information about the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein at the center of an internal political war among US conservatives. -snip

Oh Republicans...

"releasing the Epstein list is bad now"
-Dumb cuck trumper cultist NPC brainless spineless phaggots

"There's no Epstein client list! Also, there's an Epstein client list but Trump isn't on it!" -Trumpers

The mental gymnastics to defend a serial pedophile are amazing.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump's not disrupting the system, he's part of it, he's a Republican who is making the wealth gap in America even greater with more tax cuts to the wealthiest people while making the working/middle-class pay for it. Reagan did the same.

He was supposed to be the anti-war anti-interventionist, anti-Middle East meddler, and how did that work out? He tried to start a war with Iran.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Have the Republicans stopped fixating on things not being divorced and swearing? If so, that's a disruption.

That's just while Trump is an office because Trump's a serial cheater, been married three times, his current wife can't stand to be next to him and he swears. Once he's out, they'll pretend to care again with their pretend morals. But even then, that's a minor disruption.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's just while Trump is an office because Trump's a serial cheater, been married three times, his current wife can't stand to be next to him and he swears. Once he's out, they'll pretend to care again with their pretend morals. But even then, that's a minor disruption.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They can absolutely pretend to go back, but they've already lost that talking point with independents, the can't unring the bell. And even if literally nothing changes in either party, I'm not actually out a thing cause Hilary and Kamala damn sure wasn't going to change anything either with the possible exception of getting rid of the first and second amendments.

Neither Clinton nor Harris would have taken away constitutional rights. Meanwhile Trump is literally trying to to take away birth right citizenship, which is in the constitution, like he did away with Roe v Wade, and you're cool with it. You people are hilariously demented.

Originally posted by Robtard
Neither Clinton nor Harris would have taken away constitutional rights. Meanwhile Trump is literally trying to to take away birth right citizenship, which is in the constitution, like he did away with Roe v Wade, and you're cool with it. You people are hilariously demented.

Roe v Wade was BS from the get go. I'm personally pro choice but such things are best left to the states. And birthright citizenship.... yeah I'm not really a fan of ending that. But I also wasn't a fan of Biden's virtual open door policy so meh.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The Dems have absolutely been trying to limit free speech for over a decade(tbf though, Reps started that under Bush the sequal) and been b*tching about guns for far longer.

Roe v Wade was BS from the get go. I'm personally pro choice but such things are best left to the states. And birthright citizenship.... yeah I'm not really a fan of ending that. But I also wasn't a fan of Biden's virtual open door policy so meh.

You're talking out of your ass, meanwhile Trump is the one attacking free speech by suing and using the weight of the Presidential office to silence news agencies who say unflattering things about him. He's also using the weight of his office to fleece companies into paying him millions directly.

No, R v W was not BS, as we've seen some states ruling that women don't have agency over their own bodies.

So you're not a fan of Trump undoing this outright unconstitutional move, but meh, Biden did this made up thing so it's okay. The border was never open and unsecured under Biden, that's just a bullshit ragebait talking point.

🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
You're talking out of your ass, meanwhile Trump is the one attacking free speech by suing and using the weight of the Presidential office to silence news agencies who say unflattering things about him. He's also using the weight of his office to fleece companies into paying him millions directly.

No, R v W was not BS, as we've seen some states ruling that women don't have agency over their own bodies.

So you're not a fan of Trump undoing this outright unconstitutional move, but meh, Biden did this made up thing so it's okay. The border was never open and unsecured under Biden, that's just a bullshit ragebait talking point.

It absolutely was BS. What it means to be human and the point at which humanity is recognized is a defining characteristic for pretty much every society. Nothing like that should ever be determined by a group of people no citizen ever voted for. It's absolutely something that should be determined at the state level, not the federal level in a way that can't be circumvented by the common citizen. While I'm personally pro choice, I recognize the reasoning for those who aren't, and those people deserve to have their voices heard as much as anyone rather than be dismissed out of hand because of a nonsensical Supreme Court ruling

Didn't say it was OK, I said it didn't matter because neither person running planned on doing what I wanted on the matter. I get that you're seemingly ok with incompetence and corruption as long as it's coming from the democrats because you refuse to believe they could be as bad as the Republicans, but I've been watching both as an independent for pretty much my whole life and I've seen plenty from both sides. They're like a photo and it's negative, so seemingly the opposite of each other that they're actually the exact same image but reversed. They're like Coke and Pepsi or Visa and Mastercard, rivals on the surface but actually working hand in hand to ensure that only two real options are accepted by the majority of the population.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you saying there haven't been clamoring from the left to restrict free speech in the form of pronouns or put restrictions on guns? If there has I'm not talking out of my ass.

Name the laws. Name the lawmakers. We will wait.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It absolutely was BS. What it means to be human and the point at which humanity is recognized is a defining characteristic for pretty much every society. Nothing like that should ever be determined by a group of people no citizen ever voted for. It's absolutely something that should be determined at the state level, not the federal level in a way that can't be circumvented by the common citizen. While I'm personally pro choice, I recognize the reasoning for those who aren't, and those people deserve to have their voices heard as much as anyone rather than be dismissed out of hand because of a nonsensical Supreme Court ruling

Roe v. Wade established that the Right to Privacy guaranteed by the 14th Amendment covers medical procedures. It means that the government does not have a right to know which medical procedures you have, including abortion. Yet, here you are, celebrating losing your right to medical privacy, because you think Roe v. Wade is "just some b.s." Congratulations, retard, you just played yourself in order to own libs.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't say it was OK, I said it didn't matter because neither person running planned on doing what I wanted on the matter. I get that you're seemingly ok with incompetence and corruption as long as it's coming from the democrats because you refuse to believe they could be as bad as the Republicans, but I've been watching both as an independent for pretty much my whole life and I've seen plenty from both sides. They're like a photo and it's negative, so seemingly the opposite of each other that they're actually the exact same image but reversed. They're like Coke and Pepsi or Visa and Mastercard, rivals on the surface but actually working hand in hand to ensure that only two real options are accepted by the majority of the population.

"Enlightened centrists" are neither enlightened or centrists. They are politically-ignorant conservatives who want to vote for Republicans without claiming the Republican affiliation, so they do not have to be accountable for the actions of the Republicans they elect. Case in point, you have all the heat for Democrats, but when challenged why you do not have the same energy for Republicans, you retreat to "both parties are the same." You are just a coward, throwing a stone, and hiding your hand.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Name the laws. Name the lawmakers. We will wait.

Roe v. Wade established that the Right to Privacy guaranteed by the 14th Amendment covers medical procedures. It means that the government does not have a right to know which medical procedures you have, including abortion. Yet, here you are, celebrating losing your right to medical privacy, because you think Roe v. Wade is "just some b.s." Congratulations, retard, you just played yourself in order to own libs.

"Enlightened centrists" are neither enlightened or centrists. They are politically-ignorant conservatives who want to vote for Republicans without claiming the Republican affiliation, so they do not have to be accountable for the actions of the Republicans they elect. Case in point, you have all the heat for Democrats, but when challenged why you do not have the same energy for Republicans, you retreat to "both parties are the same." You are just a coward, throwing a stone, and hiding your hand.

Them not being successful doesn't change their intent. Are you denying those being democrat talking points though?

It was written out poorly and made it impossible to ban abortion.

Nope if you look above I specifically mentioned that censoring free speech started with Bush the sequel. And my seeming heat for the Dems stems primarily from the fact that he's not a more active part of the conversation because I have no problem pointing at him as the singular, worst President I have personal knowledge of. The Patriot Act was the worst piece of legislation ever passed by our government, beyond even the provision that recognized blacks as 3/5s of a person. And even beyond him, the only Republican President in the last 50 years I have genuine respect for is the original George Bush, and that's only because when push came to shove he raised taxes when the country needed it after promising not to which alienated his base and tanked his chance at getting re-elected.

The fact that I think the Dems are a nest of vipers doesn't mean I think the Reps are harmless grass snakes by comparison.

You made the claim about Democrats, you've yet to site any examples. Meanwhile I gave you examples of Trump taking away people's rights and using the office of the POTUS to suppress free speech he doesn't like.

Originally posted by Robtard
You made the claim about Democrats, you've yet to site any examples. Meanwhile I gave you examples of Trump taking away people's rights and using the office of the POTUS to suppress free speech he doesn't like.

Yes. eg Your claims that Democrats stopped or tried to stop free speech.

The assault weapon ban was a very few and select ban on guns. People were still allowed to have 99% of the guns out there, while you're acting like all guns were taken away. But here's the important part: You're also conveniently ignoring that the ban had bipartisan support in congress.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes. eg Your claims that Democrats stopped or tried to stop free speech.

The assault weapon ban was a very few and select ban on guns. People were still allowed to have 99% of the guns out there, while you're acting like all guns were taken away. But here's the important part: You're also conveniently ignoring that the ban had bipartisan support in congress.

Has Trump tried to restrict all the speech that's out there, or like 1% of it?

And I'm not forgetting anything, as Ive always said... Republicans are horrible too.

Google says no.

I've already told you he's targeting news agencies that say unflattering (ie the truth) things about him and using the office of the POTUS to do it. But something, something democrats.

No, you clearly did, as you only blamed Democrats for the assault weapon ban, when it was bipartisan.