Originally posted by carver9
Or Wonder Woman and Mongul fights are baked down to PIS.
Consistently? So every time they've met, even though WW has all these wonderful and lovely feats of slapping HV out the air and lifting this and that and racing Flash etc etc, it's PIS that Mongul tags her?
Every single time in their entire history?
Gotta save this lmao.
Wonder Woman tends to struggle heavily with almost any of Supes rogues. Almost of them have wrecked her casually and consistently, during New52 she had a bit better track record though.
It’s a bit of the Vegeta effect though. She’s often recognized as the next biggest threat, so the big bad would crush her before Supes and/team would beat him to show how tough they are.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Consistently? So every time they've met, even though WW has all these wonderful and lovely feats of slapping HV out the air and lifting this and that and racing Flash etc etc, it's PIS that Mongul tags her?Every single time in their entire history?
Gotta save this lmao.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes. It's PIS, lol. We can compare fts if you want.
So even though all their comic encounters - all of them - she's never destroyed him, you are asserting that we should ignore what the comics have said every time, and instead as this is a forum fight her feats should speak for themselves?
Saving this.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's a forum ruling though? Unless Mangog or Hulk have the feats to suggest they can keep up with Superman, they are hella slower than him. That's just how speed works.ABC logic does not work at this level - you know that. Tons of people have tagges Superman/Hulk - they are not on the same level of speed. At the same time, Hulk and Superman have tagged a lot of people - that also does not necessarily means they are the same level.
Hulk has tagged Gladiator, who has crossed galaxies in the blink of an eye. But a more powerful Hulk (WWH) was getting frustrated with Beast and Strong Guy. Is Beast >>> Gladiator in speed? Of course not.
Gambit took Gladiator's legs out. Superman has been tagged by Shadow Dragon, Batman etc. Are they all the same speed in a forum fight? No.
Replace Hulk with Mongul and Superman with Wonder Woman. Thank me later.
Originally posted by StoicI think it goes back to my age old wisdom:
Mongul appears to be well above her. I just can’t stop scratching my head over this. Mongul pretty much handled her easier than Darkseid did in their most recent 1v1. Mongul should be reexamined. He’s clearly top tier in terms of strength. I just thought that Diana was as well?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're not understanding my point.It depends on the number of showings they have, total.
Billy has quite a few showings. So his feats need to be taken into account, more than his fights.
Gladiator does not (relative to Billy). So his fights count for much more than his feats. He is the same like Orion, who has even fewer showings still.
Hulk has TONS of showings. So his fights and feats are all equal(ish) in weighting.
IOW: if a character has very few appearances (LT, In-Betweener, Orion, Galactus) then their fights are a better gauge of their power.
The more showings a character has, and the more they start interacting with other characters, the more their fights get diluted. Lobo is a good example, as are the Lanterns. You yourself acknowledge, in team books Lobo is less impressive. Lanterns are terrible against bricks. That's when their feats become more of a gauge, where writers don't have to dilute them. Batman and Cap are also good examples of this.