Originally posted by Robtard
MCU Hulk can't heal, which is just stupid as comic Hulk is known for his uber HF, but are they strong enough to hurt the Hulk?
I was thinking maybe they could cut the Hulk with their super strength combined with the sharp weapons they make.
Dunno. They may not be able to.
They'd be quite tough to hurt themselves though with the shapeshifting and Spider-Man imitation abilities.
Originally posted by Thinkerer
Thunderclapping could potentially beat them quick.
Not sure. By Venom 3 he is riding on a plane, which is a continuous loud sound. Also the Venom from Spider-Man 3 has webs to blind Hulk and cover his hands and feet in webbing.
Technically Hardy Venom should be able to do something similar with his Symbiote, although it would stay attached to him in the process. So not independent like webbing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not sure. By Venom 3 he is riding on a plane, which is a continuous loud sound. Also the Venom from Spider-Man 3 has webs to blind Hulk and cover his hands and feet in webbing.Technically Hardy Venom should be able to do something similar with his Symbiote, although it would stay attached to him in the process. So not independent like webbing.
I think thats mainly inconsistent writing by stupid writers. Hes dancing on loud music, standing near explosions... Considering our loud cities, symbiotes should have a pretty hard time having a comfortable life on our planet.
Originally posted by Thinkerer
I think thats mainly inconsistent writing by stupid writers. Hes dancing on loud music, standing near explosions... Considering our loud cities, symbiotes should have a pretty hard time having a comfortable life on our planet.
It always was a stupid weakness. Especially when added to heat/fire. Basically means they can't deal with a bomb.
From physical force alone though, Venom's shapeshifting to cover the Xenophages tells me it would be very difficult to deal with him pure fisticuffs.
That said Venom has never dealt with force even close to Hulk's level, so would have to give Hulk the benefit of a win if it's a one V one. However this is a whole load of Symbiotes including two who are far more powerful than Venom, so gotta go with them.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
To be clear we don't know the limits of Venom's strength (as far as I remember, maybe someone can correct me).The strength feats he does show were done casually. I don't recall him struggling with weight or failing to punch through something that wasn't a symbiote.
His limit is defined by his best feat - anything beyond that requires proof. The claim that symbiotes can lift 100 tons is a stretch when you look at their actual showings, the distances they've thrown objects, and what they've lifted. Hulk, on the other hand, has exerted force in the range of many thousands of tons. There's no real comparison here.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1)Quit Strawmanning me.2)Writers intention - If every physical feat he achieved was done casually, then the intent was he can achieve feats much greater.
Explain clearly how my statement was a strawman.
Characters operate at the maximum level demonstrated in the movie when using high effort. However, if a feat was performed casually (you'd need to provide examples of this), then we can scale their strength 5–10 times beyond that feat, depending on just how casual it was.
For example, 10–15 tons scaled by 10 (for being casual) is roughly 100–150 tons. Now compare that to Hulk, who operates in the range of many thousands of tons. It's not even in the same league.
Originally posted by h1a8
Explain clearly how my statement was a strawman.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat said Venom has never dealt with force even close to Hulk's level, so would have to give Hulk the benefit of a win if it's a one V one.
Originally posted by h1a8
The claim that symbiotes can lift 100 tons is a stretch when you look at their actual showings, the distances they've thrown objects, and what they've lifted. Hulk, on the other hand, has exerted force in the range of many thousands of tons. There's no real comparison here.
Originally posted by h1a8
Characters operate at the maximum level demonstrated in the movie when using high effort. However, if a feat was performed casually (you'd need to provide examples of this), then we can scale their strength 5–10 times beyond that feat, depending on just how casual it was.For example, 10–15 tons scaled by 10 (for being casual) is roughly 100–150 tons. Now compare that to Hulk, who operates in the range of many thousands of tons. It's not even in the same league.
Okay. So you agree doing a feat completely casually means it's logical to scale strength up from there. Can't really put math on it though. It's just something to consider.
In comics Venom has always been stronger than Spider-Man, so I'm sure it would be Sony's implication as well (for Venom to be at least as strong as SM) but that's just me speculating.
Doesn't change my argument, that Venom's shapeshifting abilities and the symbiotes durability makes physical attacks the worst way to deal with him. That said, given Hulk's enormous level of strength, I'd be silly not to choose Hulk in a 1 V 1. Just not convinced he takes this scenario where it's multiple Symbiotes, two of whom are Far more Powerful than Venom.