True Form Darkseid vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder

Who wins this and how ?

Pre ret Beyonder was said to be so large that if compared to the entire Marvel multiverse it would have been like comparing an ocean to a drop of water. He was vastly OP.

True form Darkseid is below the Great Darkness, which seems to be a better match for PR Beyonder.

See how easy it is to stick to the characters named in the OP?

Beyonder stomps.

The scope of True Form Darkseid continues to erode in my eyes. Not that it was much in the wake of Dark Crisis.

I dunno, maybe as the Absolute Universe storyline evolves/concludes, that will change.

But if the past of every month's worth of comics that are published is a prologue, I'm not holding my breath.

darkseid is currently an omniversal constant who opposes the growth of all realities in the infinite multiverseS.

Originally posted by MrMind
it's ironic when you said "wanting to distinguish canonical fact from interpretation“ when immediately present your fanboy interpretation of phoenix force as fact

darkseid is currently the strongest we ever see him. he ravaged heaven and hell. the absolute universe he created is outside of the omniverse
if you don't know what the opposite character is capable of, don't be so confident with your useless opinion

the evidence you are asking for is in dc all in, spoken by spectre

^ True Form Darkseid is currently relegated to a single universe. A heretofore rather undefined plot-device "crux" universe. There's some spillage into the Earth-Prime universe via anomalies that Mr. Terrific and the Challengers of the Unknown are dealing with.

But that's all that this True Form Darkseid has really done so far since DC All-In.

In the meantime, it appears that there are alternate Darkseids still operating throughout the DC multiverse. Which tends against the True Form Darkseid being some mulitversally singular conglomerate.

Originally posted by ODG
^ True Form Darkseid is currently relegated to a single universe. A heretofore rather undefined plot-device "crux" universe. There's some spillage into the Earth-Prime universe via anomalies that Mr. Terrific and the Challengers of the Unknown are dealing with.

But that's all that this True Form Darkseid has really done so far since DC All-In.

In the meantime, it appears that there are alternate Darkseids still operating throughout the DC multiverse. Which tends against the True Form Darkseid being some mulitversally singular conglomerate.

^ A version of Darkseid (along with other New Gods) appears in DC vs. Vampires: World War V #6-10 (2025).

Which clashes horribly with the notion stated in DC All-In that Darkseid remained as True Form Darkseid who had all the alternate versions of himself located throughout the DC Multiverse conglomerated within himself first introduced in Infinite Frontier #0 (2021).