I'm not discounting that Smith just downloaded himself into Banes, but i'm saying that I don't think Anything in the Matrix would be able to influence any facet of reality in Zion, unless they were of the same make-up. This would mean that Zion be the same as the Matrix, ergo it is a program. Someone else said that, when Neo destroyed Smith in M1, he also created a virus that would be the "cataclysmic system failure". This is also a very plausible argument, because the Architect said that "the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end", and "Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strengths and your greatest weakness".
This MIGHT be off topic, but I don't want to start a thread all about it. It might be something, it might not. But I finished the download OF M" on Kazaa, and remeber after he fights 3 agents in the Renuion? after he flies away to some building? He Says "Where are you?" then we cut scene to The Neb arriving at Zion. Does Anybody think that that might have to do with soemthing? Or anything?
the building he goes to, and the room he enters, is that of the Oracle. He goes there to try and see if whe is there. If you will remember, he is waiting for her to call him, because he needs to talk to her. I don't think that it is really pertinent that the scene cuts to the entrance to Zion. However, what is amazing, that i didn't realize before, is that the Zion mainframe, is also a sort of Program, where the operators are watching the ships dock from within the program.
On a side note: if you go and look up the names of the Characters, you realize how biblical the Matrix is. Ex. Morpheus is the god of Dreams, "one who shapes or dreams". After the Neb is destroyed, Morpheus says "I have dreamed a dream, but now this dream has gone from me." This would correspond to the John the Baptist allusion referenced earlier, as Morpheus is told that he will find the one, and then shapes Neo in his growth, until Neo is the One, like John the Baptist was born as a precursor to Jesus, and Baptises Jesus even though John knows he is below Jesus in spirituality.
Yeah, I was wondering why there where chairs and people plugged in, And then I was wondering HOW they could have all theos sensors and stuff, with the projection on screens made of thin glass etc etc. And I already knew about them have biblical reference (if you joined earlyer you would of seen an entire new forum about MAtrix Philosiphical talk, but I don't know why but it was shut down) Any way, thanx for your help
OKAY!!!! i remeber a while back that some guy (i think maybe stovenutts?) posted an entire specific resumé of the Matrix Revolutions. And im it he said that Niobe and Morpheuse Go out in a Hovercraft together. Now this was a month and a half ago WAYYYYYYYYYY before the new trailer. So i watch it.and guess what i see??? Well this:
Oh and someone wanted a Pic of Neo With the scarf thingy over his eyes? ? Look closly, to your right. Also this is another proof that what the resumé was saying MIGHT be true. It was also said that Neo And Trin go In a hover craft togerther also. AND that Neo was going to be blind. Still, i do not fully trust the resumé yet. Here:
JediHDM> Morpheus is a god from Greek not Christian mythology.
Crash> You don’t have a Ph.D. in anything, to figure out that Morph and Niobe would be flying together in a hovercraft. Because the Neb was destroyed, and we know Morph and Niobe have a history together.
Since Ghost is the kind of character who may sacrifice himself, the picture in question doesn’t really validate the hypothesis in question. 🙂
Matrix really is like The Holy Bible, based on it, But the movie "Ghost in the Shell" is a part more important than the metaforical representations of Sion the city that will raise after the second coming with all the saved or choosed by their faith. And Neo as the Mesias. Even the Nabucodonasor have a Biblical meaning that i can't remeber. Persephone is a beast daugther of Ades the Greek god of death.(I guess)
But what i say is that the explication that Matrix give to Life is cleary based in Gho in shell, so I supose that the end will be similar. Open to a entire new universe of Matrix. you have to beLIEve.
Finally, somebody who is willing to think outside the box, but this has been a good debate. I will have to watch that movie.
Persephone was the daughter of Ceres, and Hades kidnapped her to be his wife, but it was decided that she would only be his wife for one season of the year, which is winter and is why crops do not grow in winter. King Nebuchadnezzar was in the Bible, as he was the babylonian King who conquered Jerusalem, destroyed the Temple, and deported many Jews into Babylonia. Its up to you to figure out what that one could mean.
Originally posted by Ivanovich
You all don't know what you are saying.
Oh, but you do, because… ?
So what do you mean. The Matrix is like the Holy Bible or “Ghost in A Shell”??? The Matrix is not like the Holy Bible, but the W-brothers know “Ghost”. They admit that one of their favourite sources of inspiration is Manga/Anime.
“Ghost” does nothing to support the belief in a Matrix within the Matrix. Would you mind explaining how you came up with that idea? “Ghost” deals with a machine trying to achieve humanity. Sure, the Oracle says man and machine must work together. Sure, the freed humans have quite a lot of implants. And Smith has down-loaded himself into Bane.
But that does not prove a MWtM hypothesis. Zion can exist in the real world, and still be a system of control, designed by the machines, without being a VR world.
JediHDM> Mind explaining to me how names like Neo, Persephone, Morpheus, Merovingian, Oracle, Osiris, Smith, Tank, Dozer, Mouse, Ghost, Niobe and Gnosis makes the Matrix biblical? Neb is. The Freemasons refer to the Christian God as the Great Architect. What else?? Trinity is not even IN the Bible.
It sounds to me like your reasoning is: Neb is in the Bible, hence the Matrix is biblical, because we must take the word “Nebuchadnezzar” literally. Morpheus is not in the bible, so we must not take it literally?
On a side note: I do not completely rule out a MWtM hypothesis. It is simply too grand of a concept to introduce in the final chapter of a trilogy. We do see the machine-world and the human-world blend together (Smith uploading himself to Bane, Neo able to stop sentinels in the real world) as they do in “Ghost in a Shell”. That still does not mean the real world is virtual. A feasible and non-metaphysical mix of the two is, as I see it, a far more plausible, and not to say, interesting conclusion.
I'm not saying that the names themselves make the Bible literal, and no, you're right, it doesn't say "trinity" in the bible. However, the definitions of names of certain (not all, i never said all) characters creates a biblical similarity that helps us to understand the characters, and thereby their purpose, better. Also, i never said there is a MWaM, i said there are two programs, both created by the machines, in which to control humanity and force resistance down. Also, it is not introduced in the final chapter, but neither is it blatantly stated. Perhaps it is that the W-ski Bros. want their audience to think outside the box, rather than being fed the answers. Perhaps i am completely wrong, Zion is really the real world. However, how do you explain the purpose of making Zion be rebuilt, by someone who has free choice, in order to destroy it again in a hundred or so years. It doesn't seem plausible that the machines would allow the humans to create Zion, if they do not have control over it, and over the humans that inhabit it. If you owned slaves, would you allow them to escape, just to kill them? no, you would make sure that they do not escape. I believe the machines created the Zion program in order to allow humans to think they were free of the machines grasp, when in reality they are still the slaves they were in the Matrix. It is too big a jump for Zion to NOT be another program, completely seperate from but connected to the Matrix, that everything the Architect said to be falacious, and for how Neo stopped the Sentinels. It is harder to accept, than that Zion is a program. I'm sorry, but i cannot accept that.