How NEO stopped the sentinels!

OK,

First let me begin by stating that I still believe in the MWAM theory. But, at one point I was starting to believe that theory was incorrect. Although there are a number of points, counter-points for each argument, the biggest concern of mine, was how Neo stopped the sentinels. While trying to convince myself the MWAM theory was WRONG, here's what I came up with...

Neo (as well as everyone else who was at one time plugged into the Matrix) is basically a cyborg, a human with mechanical implants (the plugs, which are still in him). It is feasible that he could have another sort of implant inside him which is a sort of transmitter (Not difficult to comprehend since wireless tech is pretty simple).

Since part of his mind is now inside "The Source" (according to ETM game) his matrix-mind (or code) is now part of the machine "collective" mind (what one sees, they all see). Therefore, the Source-Neo would be aware that his Zion-self was in danger (he could see it through the eyes of the attacking sentinel). So, Zion-Neo can now "feel" the machines through his transmitter implant now receiving signals based on his new connection with "The Source."

Therefore, the Source-Neo (based on the wireless "request" from Zion-Neo) merely activates some sort of electro charge to stop the sentinels. Since the tunnels are basically lined with mechanical equipment (pipes and conduit) it is feasible to assume that there could be equipment capable of generating that charge located throughout the tunnels.

Why did it knock Neo into unconsciousness? Perhaps the charge overloaded the connection between his brain and his source-mind. Since Bane is physically the same as Neo, a Smith mind inside Bane (Bane is a cyborg too with the same implants) connected to a Smith mind in the Matrix, he could defend himself the same way, with the same effect (unconsiousness).

So, that's the theory I came up with to explain Neo stopping the sentinels without the MWAM theory...what do you think?

Yo,
First I think that the "wireless" hardware IN Neo is wrong. Because to get in the Matrix (usually) you are "jacked in" using that prod thing. The prod connects to the ship's core, which broadcast's a signal INTO the matrix (almost exactly like satilite internet) .

I think that the explaination for the Sentinals and Neo is that the approaching ship (the Hammer) which is the most powerful ship in the fleet fired it's EMP whill still be able to move (only THE HAMMER can do that because it is the biggest and strongest) scince Neo had his hand up, he was zaped also.

As for sensing them, In reloaded we learn that Smith and Neo are connected. The Agents are able to contact the sentinals as we learn in the 1st film by what Smith said: "Deploy the sentinals". Scince part of Neo is Still in the Matrix (his mind, which is part of the brain that has all the senses) he is able to Sense them OUT of the Matrix. But I am unsure of that myself because in ETM we learn that Agent Smith is no longer an Agent.

Niobe: Are you an Agent?
Smith: No.
Smith 2: I am the Alpha
Smith 3: Of your Omega

Originally posted by Crash_Overload
Yo,
First I think that the "wireless" hardware IN Neo is wrong. Because to get in the Matrix (usually) you are "jacked in" using that prod thing. The prod connects to the ship's core, which broadcast's a signal INTO the matrix (almost exactly like satilite interent) .

Yeah, I'm not saying the "wireless" implant could be used as a substitute to "hacking into" the matrix, but more as a communication device, broadcasting his location, vital signs, brainwaves, etc. (Remember in the 1st movie, when Neo was "flushed" the Neb was trying to lock in on his "signal"😉. As far as the Neb broadcasting a signal INTO the matrix, I always assumed it was not wireless, thus the need to tap into a "Main Line" that they're always mentioning. Broadcast depth I always assumed meant that the main lines only existed above a certain depth, and that "broadcasting" was similar to what cable TV stations do (broadcasting a signal through main lines).

Originally posted by Crash_Overload
I think that the explaination for the Sentinals and Neo is that the approaching ship (the Hammer) which is the most powerful ship in the fleet fired it's EMP whill still be able to move (only THE HAMMER can do that because it is the biggest and strongest) scince Neo had his hand up, he was zaped also.

I don't that explanation works in this case, because that would seem to defy the whole purpose of the EMP. Also it creates a problem, because if the The Hammer can withstand an EMP, then surely the machines could be built to do the same.

Originally posted by Crash_Overload
As for sensing them, In reloaded we learn that Smith and Neo are connected. The Agents are able to contact the sentinals as we learn in the 1st film by what Smith said: "Deploy the sentinals". Scince part of Neo is Still in the Matrix (his mind, which is part of the brain that has all the senses) he is able to Sense them OUT of the Matrix. But I am unsure of that myself because in ETM we learn that Agent Smith is no longer an Agent.

Niobe: Are you an Agent?
Smith: No.
Smith 2: I am the Alpha
Smith 3: Of your Omega

I don't think there is a definitive answer that Smith and Neo are still "connected." They at one time had a "connection" when Neo hurled himself into Smith in the 1st movie, which had a profound effect on both, but nowhere does it state that the "connection" still exists. In the movie, "connection" is referred to in the past tense...here's that part of the conversation from the movie's transcript.

Smith: Suprised to see me?
Neo: No.
Smith: Then you're aware of it?
Neo: Of what?
Smith: Our connection. I don't fully understand how it happened, perhaps some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied. It is at this point irrelevant, what matters is that whatever happened, happened for a reason.
Neo: And what reason is that?
Smith: I killed you, Mr. Anderson, I watched you die, with a certain satisfaction, I might add, and then something happened. Something that I knew was impossible, but it happened anyway. You destroyed me, Mr. Anderson. Afterward, I knew the rules, I understood what I was supposed to do, but I didn't; I couldn't; I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey, and now, here I stand because of you, Mr. Anderson, because of you I am no longer an agent of this system, because of you I've changed, I'm unplugged, a new man, so to speak. Like you, apparently free.
Neo: Congratulations.
Smith: Thank you. But, as you well know appearances can be deceiving which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free. There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose because as we both know, without purpose we would not exist.

Originally posted by Tomkat

I don't that explanation works in this case, because that would seem to defy the whole purpose of the EMP. Also it creates a problem, because if the The Hammer can withstand an EMP, then surely the machines could be built to do the same.

I am not sure HOW exactly the Hammer can withstand its own E.M.P. but for a fact it can (ill try to find the page I saw this on) But the machines is diffrent because the CPU is like a diskette (example) when you rub a magnet next to that diskette, all the info on it is earased and it is unusable, you have to re-format it. The E.M.P. affects only the information part of the drive, which is the vital. This is why you can't have anybody hooked up to the Matrix (even in the Hammer) the consols and the operation center would be "fried". And there was nobody hooked up in The Hammer because it was in motion.

this is all very confusing 😕

Wait till you read other threads.... O you already have. AND answered them. a lot. Like me.

ok now my head hurts from all this prossesing information 🤪

Take an Advil. L 😂 L

lol funny guy!!

😗 ✅

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How did Neo stop the sentinels? This the main argument FOR the MWTM theory, but it rests on shallow grounds. This topic has been discussed a giga-zillion times already, so for the other arguments against the MWTH theory see appropriate thread.
When Neo visited the Architect his mind touched the Source, the machine-mainframe. We learn that from “Enter the Matrix.” Instead of doing what he’s supposed to, Neo leaves through the other door and flies to rescue Trinity.
They unplug, discuss the state of the prophecy with Morpheus and then the Sentinels arrive with their bomb. It was not a loose EMP, or the Hammer that stopped the sentinels. Neo did that. He even says “something is different, I can feel them” and stops the machines like he stops bullets. And collapses. The knowledge of what he did, and HOW he did it, was too much.
Like Smith copied himself, Neo has copied part of his digital self in the Matrix. In the Source. His mind sits RIGHT there in the machine main-frame grande control system. Easy enough to wreck havoc. The system might even have sent out the sentinels to cause just that. The total separation between Neo’s mind in the Matrix and his body in the real world.

What is the MWTM theory????

You all have probably seen this before but here goes anywayz...

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache😘I-EMvsuj3YJ:www.livejournal.com/users/makulit/7750.html+matrix+anomaly+code&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Ahhhhh. Nothing quite like mathematics to take the fun out of everything.

hmmmm ya 🙂

Gabriel> There’s no mathematics on said page, to prove the MWTM (Matrix Within The Matrix) theory. Where did you see that?

How about this.

What has been suggested in this thread is that a part of neo is in the machine mainframe source. If that is the case and neo dies in the real world, the code that is attributied to him in the source would stop operating.

Maybe the sentinels when approaching neo were auto destructed by the architect / mainframe safety controls to prevent neo being killed.

Still dosnt explain why neo collapsed though. Damn cliffhangers, I wanna know how he stoped those sentinels now not in november. ! 😱

Actually everything's mathematics 0's & 1's

Gabriel> And that does even less to prove anything. So do you have anything real, or do you just like to sound like a computer-mathematican??

Nopy> That all sounds fine, aside from one fact. Neo does say “Something is different. I can feel them.” Them being the sentinels (as there is nothing else that could mean). After that he raises his hands, and the sentinels short-circuits in a flash of lightening. At that moment our hero also realises that he’s left part of himself INSIDE the Matrix, a copy of his digital self, OR the short-circuit blast simply knocked him out.

Or it was the Hammer 😛