Jango Fett vs. Mace Windu.....

Originally posted by bilb
Boba was awesome (and yes thats a FACT paul! 😛) so Jango is as well by default 😛

And I for one would have loved to see Boba kill Mace 😄

you would... 😛

and tell me, when did hell freeze over, making opinion become fact?

Originally posted by Orestes
Part of me would have liked to have seen Mace killed by Boba, but honestly, it probably would have been a bad idea ... if only because he would have been too young to justifiably have pulled it off. Then again, it would have been a great "vengeance" side-story.

But oh well.

pr1983: Part of it is just that I dislike jedi in general, I think (I'll be honest and candid: I have a serious problem with a philosophy that holds that, among other things, supressing your emotions is a key to enlightenment). Part of it is his costume was really cool -- come on; you know it was! 😉 And then of course there's the fact that characters who live in moral shades of grey appeal to me.

But okay. Seriously? The movie didn't show much of what Jango could do, other than he had a solid showing against Obi. And yeees, I know his objective was not to kill Jango, but I also don't recall a single moment when he COULD have killed Jango even if he'd been trying to. The fight with Mace, given the jetpack fiasco, was a non-fight. And I've said enough about that already.

But Jango's genuinely impressive feats are covered partly in Open Seasons (a graphic novel) and partly in ... well, frankly, in a game. Bounty Hunter. But whaddaya gonna do? 😉

Anyway, as I said before, he defeated Komari Vosa among other things -- here's a link to her bio since I keep tossing that name out:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/komarivosa/eu.html

No, it doesn't prove he could beat any jedi who ever lived ... not by a long shot. But it does at the very least prove that it was not entirely beyond him to defeat an experienced Force-user in a direct confrontation, and it sheds a little light on why he was chosen as the template for a clone army in the first place.

wow... i don't mean to be mean... i really don't... but this is the guy who bested palpatine (a sith lord 😛) one on one...

i dont consider eu to be honest because alot of it imo is written by guys who just want to show how much they lover their fave character...

a bounty hunter versus a jedi master... i know mace has a bad reputation... but even with full equipment i honestly cant see how jango or bobba would best him one on one...

and as for vosa, he may as well have shot him in the back... 😛

Originally posted by steverules
Cool. So after being beaten by mace what does boba do, does he fly away or something or does Mace just walk away?

Actually, Mace offers to spare his life, Boba flatly refuses and prepares himself to die fighting, and then Senator Palpatine walks in (Boba had attacked Mace there) and effectively interrupts the battle. But it makes more sense if you read the whole thing. 😉

i dont consider eu to be honest because alot of it imo is written by guys who just want to show how much they lover their fave character...

Except where it conflicts with the movies (Lucas, you twit!), EU is considered cannon and in fact even carries the Lucas seal of approval. That's just the way it is, baby.

a bounty hunter versus a jedi master... i know mace has a bad reputation... but even with full equipment i honestly cant see how jango or bobba would best him one on one...

I can personally think of some BETTER methods than the ones Boba and Jango use ... but as far as that goes, I can still see how it would be theoretically possible for them, at least under the right circumstances.

and as for vosa, he may as well have shot him in the back... 😛

Vosa was a woman, and the battle was very much face-to-face (and brutally difficult, I'm told -- I need to get that game myself 😉 ).

Originally posted by Orestes
[B]Except where it conflicts with the movies (Lucas, you twit!), EU is considered cannon and in fact even carries the Lucas seal of approval. That's just the way it is, baby.

where did you hear that? eu is not canon, never has been... 😖

I can personally think of some BETTER methods than the ones Boba and Jango use ... but as far as that goes, I can still see how it would be theoretically possible for them, at least under the right circumstances.

theory is one thing, practicality is another... 😛

Vosa was a woman, and the battle was very much face-to-face (and brutally difficult, I'm told -- I need to get that game myself 😉 ).

k now im confused... who is vosa?

i know mace has a bad reputation

Oh yeah, and on this note:

I don't have any specific emotions about the Mace character in general ... EXCEPT that I feel it was a really bad role for a really great actor. Jedi are, by definition, supposed to be as emotionally flat as possible, and ... in a way, that's a problem when you as the audience are supposed to care about the character. There was no tragedy in Mace's death -- not for me, at least -- any more than there would be in the death of a random droid.

Sammy's one of my favorite actors, but to date, I consider Mace his absolute worst role of which I'm aware.

Originally posted by Orestes
Oh yeah, and on this note:

I don't have any specific emotions about the Mace character in general ... EXCEPT that I feel it was a really bad role for a really great actor. Jedi are, by definition, supposed to be as emotionally flat as possible, and ... in a way, that's a problem when you as the audience are supposed to care about the character. There was no tragedy in Mace's death -- not for me, at least -- any more than there would be in the death of a random droid.

Sammy's one of my favorite actors, but to date, I consider Mace his absolute worst role of which I'm aware.

I like Mace to be honest, sure he's cold, but he's a born leader... watching three jedi cut down in cold blood would make any jedi react the way mace did...

his death for me was a big moment in the movie...

where did you hear that? eu is not canon, never has been... 😖

Well, let's think for a second:

Lucas owns the entire Star Wars universe.

EU uses the Star Wars universe and its characters and could only be written and sold with his express approval.

Therefore, Lucas has officially and legally endorsed EU.

... guess that settles that. 🙂 Next?

theory is one thing, practicality is another... 😛

You say potato, I say potato -- wait, that doesn't come off right in text. 😛

k now im confused... who is vosa?

Here, again, is the link: http://www.starwars.com/databank/ch...arivosa/eu.html

Originally posted by Orestes
Well, let's think for a second:

Lucas owns the entire Star Wars universe.

EU uses the Star Wars universe and its characters and could only be written and sold with his express approval.

Therefore, Lucas has officially and legally endorsed EU.

... guess that settles that. 🙂 Next?

its not canon, especially if it contradicts the movies...

endorsing something doesnt make it neccessarily official... ive seen george lucas say he doesnt read most of the novels that are published...

Here, again, is the link: http://www.starwars.com/databank/ch...arivosa/eu.html

Aw, hell. Here, try this: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/komarivosa/eu.html

And again:

Lucas owns the Star Wars unverise.

Nothing can be published about that universe without Lucas's express approval.

Therefore, everything written about the Star Wars universe has been expressly approved by Locas. Whether he bothers to take responsibility and read what he approves is irrelevant. He owns it, and it's up to him to set limits on what does and doesn't get through. He gets no sympathy for being irresponsible and letting others effectively make his decisions for him.

You can rail against the facts 'till you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, they're still facts.

Originally posted by Orestes
Aw, hell. Here, try this: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/komarivosa/eu.html

And again:

Lucas owns the Star Wars unverise.

Nothing can be published about that universe without Lucas's express approval.

Therefore, everything written about the Star Wars universe has been expressly approved by Locas. Whether he bothers to take responsibility and read what he approves is irrelevant. He owns it, and it's up to him to set limits on what does and doesn't get through. He gets no sympathy for being irresponsible and letting others effectively make his decisions for him.

You can rail against the facts 'till you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, they're still facts.

you still havent proven that eu is canon...

Originally posted by Orestes
Aw, hell. Here, try this: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/komarivosa/eu.html

And again:

Lucas owns the Star Wars unverise.

Nothing can be published about that universe without Lucas's express approval.

Therefore, everything written about the Star Wars universe has been expressly approved by Locas. Whether he bothers to take responsibility and read what he approves is irrelevant. He owns it, and it's up to him to set limits on what does and doesn't get through. He gets no sympathy for being irresponsible and letting others effectively make his decisions for him.

You can rail against the facts 'till you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, they're still facts.

dude.. EU has never, is not now nor will it ever be canon.. deal with it

just cause Lucas says 'yeah go ahead & write it so i can line my pockets somemore while giving fanboys even more idiotic mateiral to have wet dreams about' doesnt make it canon.. if THATS what you wanna discuss then GREAT - there's a whole forum for it.. otherwise quit wasting space

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
a jedi cant kill someone in cold blood, regardless of how evil they are, right? jango was defenseless. for mace to strike him down then would have been of the dark side. this is what ive been led to believe, anyway.

Still he could have led it to a better outcome.

The whole point of a copyright on intellectual property is so that nobody can profit from your ideas without your consent ... OR misrepresent them. Merely by virtue of giving someone the go-ahead, any author is effectively adding whatever the person produces to the collective lore of his/her creation. That's the way it is with everything. If Lucas didn't want EU to be part of Star Wars, then he shouldn't have said "go ahead." He did, and it is. That's just the way it works.

To suggest otherwise is utterly ludicrous and frankly is beneath debating further.

Well, you know what? I take that back. *I* find it ludicrous and see no reason to discuss it further, but if you want to see it that way, that's obviously your right. Feel free.

It basically just means there's nothing more to talk about in that direction. So there you go. 😉

I only read some of this topic, but going back a ways...

Mace had his saber to Jango, and told Dooku that if he tried anything, Jango was dead. Dooku then surprised Mace by actually trying something - and before Mace could react, he was on fire. That's why Mace didn't kill Jango then and there.

Originally posted by Orestes
The whole point of a copyright on intellectual property is so that nobody can profit from your ideas without your consent ... OR misrepresent them. Merely by virtue of giving someone the go-ahead, any author is effectively adding whatever the person produces to the collective lore of his/her creation. That's the way it is with everything. If Lucas didn't want EU to be part of Star Wars, then he shouldn't have said "go ahead." He did, and it is. That's just the way it works.

To suggest otherwise is utterly ludicrous and frankly is beneath debating further.

Originally posted by Orestes
Well, you know what? I take that back. *I* find it ludicrous and see no reason to discuss it further, but if you want to see it that way, that's obviously your right. Feel free.

It basically just means there's nothing more to talk about in that direction. So there you go. 😉

you STILL havent proven eu should or is considered canon...

Originally posted by pr1983
you STILL havent proven eu should or is considered canon...

I made my case for that more than adequately. I'm not going to bother repeating it, as any idiot should be able to read and understand it already, and those who can't are probably beyond my help no matter how much I attempt to explain.

At this point, you either agree with the stance I've taken based on Lucas giving the go-ahead to these people, or you do not. That's it. End of discussion. Thank you, and please drive through.

Wow... getting insulting just because someone disagrees with you... nice...

I understand it, i just dont agree...

Originally posted by Orestes
I made my case for that more than adequately. I'm not going to bother repeating it, as any idiot should be able to read and understand it already, and those who can't are probably beyond my help no matter how much I attempt to explain.

At this point, you either agree with the stance I've taken based on Lucas giving the go-ahead to these people, or you do not. That's it. End of discussion. Thank you, and please drive through.

keep up the bashing.. i DARE you.. rally PLEASE do it.. i sooooooooooooooo want you to

Wow... getting insulting just because someone disagrees with you... nice...

I understand it, i just dont agree...

That's cool. It doesn't bother me at all that you disagree with my conclusions. But that's not what you said that I objected to at all. What I objected to was this:

you STILL havent proven eu should or is considered canon

That's not saying, "I disagree with your conclusions." That's saying, "You haven't made your case in the first place," which is a very different statement -- one to which I took strong exception. Furthermore, the tone of the post struck me, at least, as that of a person who's basically saying, "I challenge you to continue arguing with me about this," when as far as I can tell, there's nothing left for me to say about it.

That's why I said that at this point, you either agree with the stance I've taken, or you do not. Since we both understand each others' positions and simply don't agree, all we can really do now is argue for the sake of arguing or take turns repeating ourselves ad infinum ... both of which are pointless and silly, at least in my opinion.

Anyway, maybe I was too testy, too. I WAS in kind of an irritable mood that day for unrelated reasons, so ... sorry about that. But otherwise, seriously, I really don't want to continue arguing about this. I've said what I had to say, and I have no interest whatsoever in just arguing endlessly to no purpose.

Cool?